Training for a marathon and the AOSB - Foolish?

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  1. Can anyone with more fitness experience than me advise whether training for a marathon and the AOSB at the same time may be a bad idea since they both focus on a very different kind of fitness?

    I am thinking that the marathon training will give me a good endurance base but also considering whether it will take up too much time and leave me under-prepared for the AOSB. Chances are I will train for the marathon regardless but responses here may help me tailor my program so that my performance at the AOSB (main priority) does not suffer.

    Any advice? Cheers,

    J.
     
  2. shorter fast runs are good for building lactic acid tollerance and more..

    no reason you cant have marathon endurance and be good at the bleep test.

    chuck in some fast 2 milers and you'll be laughing
     
  3. Cheers for the replies. Chris so you dont beleive marathon training will have a detremental effect on my ability over short distances or have I completely misunderstood how fitness works lol?

    Thanks for the link to the program TT, looks cool but too marathon specific to get me through AOSB!

    Finding a schedule is a nightmare!

    J.
     
  4. Ah very cool thanks!

    It will be my firs one too. Which are you running? You know you probably should apply for a place now. London marathon deadline is allready up. I am am going for the Edinburgh Marathon. Nice downhill course, apparently fast as f***.

    J.
     
  5. I'm not sure yet, either the Copenhagen Marathon in May, or the North Sea Beach Marathon in June if I'm not ready in time for Copenhagen (May).

    I ran the half distance at the North Sea Beach Marathon this year. 21 km on sand, it was an experience!

    I'd really like to try the full marathon there though.
     
  6. It is fine mate, both will compliment each other. Make sure you fuel workouts correctly, eat to sustain effective recovery and avoid doing too much and you'll be laughing.
     
  7. I've done 10 marathons so if you need any pointers feel free to PM me. PB of 2.52 so I got something right somewhere along the line!
     
  8. For what it's worth I did my first marathon this year at thirty-mumble. If you've got something as important as AOSB looming, you may want to steer clear of the kind of beasting marathon training involves. You won't need that level of aerobic fitness or endurance for AOSB and you'll expose yourself to a high risk of illness and injury.

    OK, I'm an old fart, but I picked up a virus in training which has only recently cleared my system after 6 months. My system was just shattered by sustaining that level of effort over the cold, dark, wet winter months.

    There will always be other marathons, you don't want to be going through your selection process feeling sh*t all the time.

    Edited to add: it was Edinburgh, the new route. Fast, but bloody boring and an atrocious headwind coming off the sea on the outward leg. You don't notice the overall drop much once you've past Port Seton, it's a typical bumpy coast road.
     
  9. Sarastro

    Sarastro LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    No, you've just misunderstood the degrees of how it works.

    A top, marathon runner is not going to be much hack at transfering to elite sprinting, and vica versa, because their bodies are very specialised. However, I'm sure Linford Christie could have run a marathon back in the day (just not very fast), and I'm sure Paula Radcliffe could run a 10.2 on the bleep test (just perhaps not a level 20).

    Equally, I'm sure you can run a 10.2 on the bleep test and compete a marathon, because neither will be to such a high standard that your body needs to specialise for performance. More to the point, it takes years for such specialisation, and so it won't happen in a few months anyway.

    PS SmartasCarrots has a point about not overtraining & getting ill, but really you should get through the AOSB tests anyway. They are short and pretty easy. I was at the tail-end of flu when I did mine (ironically, from overtraining), and still passed.

    If you are hitting 10.2 & required press/sit scores already with relative ease, then don't worry about it. If you only reckon you will reach the standard a few weeks before AOSB, then listen to him and forget about the marathon for the moment.
     
  10. Thanks for all the replies!

    Thanks for the info Sarastro. A few months back I ran a 10:30 ish 1.5 miler and I am easily knocking out the sit ups, press ups are coming along, can easily do the right number but not in the right time (usually 30 seconds over or so) so not too worried about that.

    On the same note I am not training to acheive any specific time in the Marathon, just aiming to finish it without having to stop, so I dont think I will worry too much about overtraining as I wont be pushing for speed, just ditance.

    Also I will sit the AOSB quite a while before the Marathon (hopefully 3 months before) so the majority of my Marathon training will be afterwards and before Sandhurst in September (talking best case scenario here) so perhaps it wont be a problem...

    Good advice anyway, I will be very wary of overtraining!

    J.
     
  11. Not foolish at all. I did the London Marathon this year (April) and then went to AOSB in August. Its perfect, it will show you wether or not you have the ability and the mental attitude to carry on when there is nothing left. I failed my AOSB but it was not for my fitness, for that I passed with flying colours. However, what the marathon taught me is never to give up. One other little plus point is if you need to lose weight it helps tremendously. You must plan though it is not good thinking I will do 6 miles today then leaving it for a month you have to graduate it regularly. I started at 3 miles and then moved to sixe and so on. I did it over 5 months, you must remember for some distances it will take longer to graduate, for example; it took me 1 week to move on from 3 miles but it took me 3 weeks to move on from ten miles.
    Please don't forget nutrition it is a vital part of 'the long run'.
    To sum up, just do it, in my humble oppinion it is the best physical challenge that can prepare you for the physical challenge of AOSB.
    Hope that helps.
     
  12. I would consider binning the marathon for now. Your first priority should be getting to Sandhurst fit, uninjured and ready to begin quite an arduous training course. If you've got spare time I would find a training partner and start hitting the hills with a 30lb backpack and an OS map and compass. Start gradually and build up to long excursions - bed and breakfast and country pubs become quite an agreeable feature of such a training programme. If you combine this kind of hillwalking with running, circuit training, swimming and maybe some strength training in the gym you will be very well prepared for Sandhurst. There will be plenty of time for marathons later. If you do one now there is a danger that you will arrive at Sandhurst as thin as a Gypsies dog with a shattered immune system and will be ill prepared for tabbing with weight on your back. Bergan runs and endurance marches might defeat you.
    Marathon running is great for building a certain kind of stamina and mental strength and I have a lot of respect for anybody who can run one but it is not relevant your current goals.
     
  13. I have done the AOSB fittness and used to run marthon distances often(never been one for badges so never ran one).

    Being able to run a marthon is not at all relevant for the AOSB fittness test which is set to a level that obese smokers can pass its more of a minumin standard.

    Being fit though may be useful for sandhurst but not to mathrons standards ( I mean a decent standard sub 3 hours). I have also done hillrunning, hillwalking hiking to a higher than army standard (I have encoutered them prating about). I did not find running a problem for carrying heavy packs although there is certainly some strength loss if run hard everyday. If you have no problems with press ups and carrying a pack running can only be an advantage provided you do not develope any injuries. If you start to develope one easy off.

    For the AOSB if you are reasonably fit a little bit of injury should not stop you it is only 10 minutes.

    From what I was told there is normally a gap between the AOSB and starting sandhurst of a number of months. So you have some recovery time if somethings arses. they do say fittness is not that important they re not looking for athelics as long as you can do the minumin. You might be better practicing acting. You proberly know it but more how you interact in the bar lunch that is critical. Do not say anything too clever as the people testing you most likly are not fitting in is the they want above.
    Weak in no areas strong is none is about right.


    I Used to run at least 10 miles a day until about 18 months ago.