Training areas

#1
In the past I've heard about pre-dug permanent defensive positions that courses just occupy and then go into routine.

I suppose there is a major advantage in time saving but I assume that personnel are practiced at digging in as well?

Also I've heard that some training areas have old disused farms/pubs etc that can be used as admin areas for rest, admin or DS. Personally I think this is an excellent resource as we would often you an ISO container, tents, trucks etc. is there much of a problem with vandalism etc and is it the range warden that looks after them?


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#2
Once heard off a Training area warden that one of the farms on SPTA had been used for a rave one night. Must have taken some planning to recce it, rave it up, then bug out without getting sussed. Hope they took portaloos with them
 
#3
In the past I've heard about pre-dug permanent defensive positions that courses just occupy and then go into routine.

I suppose there is a major advantage in time saving but I assume that personnel are practiced at digging in as well?

Also I've heard that some training areas have old disused farms/pubs etc that can be used as admin areas for rest, admin or DS. Personally I think this is an excellent resource as we would often you an ISO container, tents, trucks etc. is there much of a problem with vandalism etc and is it the range warden that looks after them?


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Quite normal for many training areas. Both Catterick and SPTA use disused farms that can accommodate exercising troops. Russian trench systems are in situ in many locations for attacking/breaching/defending.

There's a multitude of facilities available on training areas to train and test different units, their roles and capabilities.

Watching a CS Armd Engr Tp is quite impressive, especially if firing Python.
 
#4
Tac ex 2 (or was it 3?) at the ITC platoons move in to pre-dug permanent defensive positions (anyone mind those slit trenches walled with corrugated iron & with wooden pallets on the floor situated on a windy as **** hill?), no "digging in" anymore at ITC (I've only had to dig in during BATUS or on those schmert non-stop 24 hour con op ex's we sometimes run).

Used disused farms at ITC as well (tac ex 1 maybe, only ex during training that is Afghan orientated i.e. FOB routine).

Used the iso containers - "tin city" - at Sennelager, treat.
 
#5
No digging in at BATUS anymore. You must have been there many years ago before the two lads were killed by a blind shell whilst digging in.
 
#6
No digging in at BATUS anymore. You must have been there many years ago before the two lads were killed by a blind shell whilst digging in.
Was there last year on one of the PTs & dug in to stage 4 (with the eventual aid of the royal engineers after fruitlessly labouring away for several hours with shovel & pick at the frozen rocky clay earth :) !)
 
#7
So troops are only trained to dig shell scrapes now?

I can definitely see the advantage (much more time for routine) but do they learn to dig in as well?

So the farms etc also act as FOBs and small scale MOUT areas? That makes sense.

I taught they were more for admin use, eg the weather turns serious and the troops dry off a bit.


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#11
So troops are only trained to dig shell scrapes now?

I can definitely see the advantage (much more time for routine) but do they learn to dig in as well?

So the farms etc also act as FOBs and small scale MOUT areas? That makes sense.

I taught they were more for admin use, eg the weather turns serious and the troops dry off a bit.


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They serve whatever purpose the exercise requires.
 
#14
So when do they learn how to (and how difficult it is)?



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Depends where you are.

Snow in Norway is a go.

Sand in Germany and Thetford is grand.

Peat bog at Sennybridge is OK, if very wet.

Chalk on Salisbury Plain is a pain.
 
#15
I'll be digging in some Japanese winter onions, Freddy winterking spring onions and softneck garlic after work today, if there are blind munitions lying under my allotment then they must be very deep down.......
 
#16
We used Ripon Parks when I went through ITB Strensall, they were all pre dug but needed bailing out. 5 rainy days later paddling and we did an extraction tab in respirators. Nver seen so many people puke.....
 
#17
I'll be digging in some Japanese winter onions, Freddy winterking spring onions and softneck garlic after work today, if there are blind munitions lying under my allotment then they must be very deep down.......
and of a 1939-45 British vintage?

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#18
No digging in at BATUS anymore. You must have been there many years ago before the two lads were killed by a blind shell whilst digging in.
That brings back memories. Digging in there in 1987 (or about then) we found a big f**K off shell with a crack in it. We decided to wind the boss up, so we put some army mossy repellent on some three colour detector paper (turns it the same bright red as Mustard agent) and told him it had leaked out of the blind.

The flapping on the range safety net was something to behold. To be fare he did not go to bat shit when we put our hands up to it. He made 1* last I heard, so a sense of hummer must help in the promotion game.
 

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#19
Several years ago, did an exercise in Ukraine, 100% live firing. We got the Ukr army to dig us a Russian trench system to attack and clear, was frickin awesome! Apart from Milan firing at the wrong hill - Fired at the hill with us on, rather than the actual target ^_^\\\' there was a giant ka-BOOOM
 
#20
We dug in at BATUS in 2002, a while ago now so things will have moved on.

To the filthy arab who curled some impressive mr whippy's in 3 trenches - good effort !!!
 

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