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Trail running shoes

It is unfortunate that we are in lockdown, because the wide range of recommendations on this thread would indicate that the best advice you can take from it is that your ideal shoe will depend on the kind of terrain you run on, and your own personal preferences - its a matter of what shoe suits you best.

In those circumstances what you need to do is try a wide range of shoes to see which ones you like/find most comfortable. And for that you really need a specialist running shop, which is probably closed right now.
Spot on. I wouldn't normally buy running shoes online, I like to try a few pairs on and walk or jog round the shop in them to compare each shoe. The specialist running shops near me are all closed. So I might hang on for a bit.
 
As said, Cotswolds you can order all the likely suspects, even the sizes above and below your normal for reference, try them all, send 'em back.

There's ways and means of not having to size up because they run a bit narrow ;)
 
While we are on the subject of all things running, shoes, cadence, trail running etc. One thing that has hindered my ability to run long distances are the aching joints, you know the dodgy hips and knees most of us suffer from. Arthritis, rheumatism etc.

A friend of mine made a recommendation a while back. So I tried it and haven't looked back since starting with them in October 2020.

GOPO Rose Hip Extract with Vitamin C. Its not cheap, around £27.00 per bottle. You can get it from Boots, sometimes it is in the 3 for 2 offer.

I haven't run 10k since 2013. Last Sunday I ran 15k over hills and country. No issues with hips or knees.
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LE
While we are on the subject of all things running, shoes, cadence, trail running etc. One thing that has hindered my ability to run long distances are the aching joints, you know the dodgy hips and knees most of us suffer from. Arthritis, rheumatism etc.

A friend of mine made a recommendation a while back. So I tried it and haven't looked back since starting with them in October 2020.

GOPO Rose Hip Extract with Vitamin C. Its not cheap, around £27.00 per bottle. You can get it from Boots, sometimes it is in the 3 for 2 offer.

I haven't run 10k since 2013. Last Sunday I ran 15k over hills and country. No issues with hips or knees.
Glucosamine sulphate is well worth a shout too.
 

Goatman

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I used their Jazz shoe for years. The sole was very good. Now on the Peregrine.

Good shoes - wearing my Sauconys as I type.

I did an off-road Half in 2010 (Bolt The Holt) in ordinary road shoes. Mistake.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
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I'd considered it, but the MAMILs who infest my neck of the woods are such ar$eholes that I'd rather be thought of as an ex-RAF Regiment CFAV than one of them.
I used a bike right across the first lockdown. We had a beautiful spring last year - and empty roads only enhanced it.

What comes home to me, having not long come back from a run today, is that there just isn't the wear and tear. You know you've trained but you don't feel battered.

Yes, some MAMILs are cocks. Fùck 'em, frankly. I wear the gear because it's appropriate to the activity. But gear doesn't necessarily connote attitude.

If some people here have arthritis and other conditions, then it has to be a serious consideration; if it means being able to carry on remaining active and fit, then get out there.
 
I'd considered it, but the MAMILs who infest my neck of the woods are such ar$eholes that I'd rather be thought of as an ex-RAF Regiment CFAV than one of them.
What's a MAMIL?

Went for a 10k run today, local to me, must have encountered 250 plus fecking people walking dogs and trawling their kids all over the gaff. The sad thing is I could drive twenty minutes up the road and run for an hour and a half without meeting a soul.

But the lockdown restrictions say I am not allowed to and could be fined £200.00 if I do. It makes no sense whatsoever.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
What's a MAMIL?

Went for a 10k run today, local to me, must have encountered 250 plus fecking people walking dogs and trawling their kids all over the gaff. The sad thing is I could drive twenty minutes up the road and run for an hour and a half without meeting a soul.

But the lockdown restrictions say I am not allowed to and could be fined £200.00 if I do. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Middle-Aged Man In Lycra

And no, the rules make no sense.
 

QRK2

LE
What's a MAMIL?

Went for a 10k run today, local to me, must have encountered 250 plus fecking people walking dogs and trawling their kids all over the gaff. The sad thing is I could drive twenty minutes up the road and run for an hour and a half without meeting a soul.

But the lockdown restrictions say I am not allowed to and could be fined £200.00 if I do. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Same round here, dog walking and kids isn't the issue (IMHO) provided they are keeping themselves to themselves. What we have is multiple families meeting up, the children climbing all over each other and the parents having a good old chinwag whilst walking around with their coffee mugs. As an aside, I can't get my head around this phenomenon of walking around the countryside with a Starbucks like paper bucket in one's hand.

Our local MAMILs are also still moving around in packs (road type) or charging down footpaths (note not bridal paths) at full speed without regard for pedestrians (MTB type) the latter in particular are going to kill a child soon.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Our local MAMILs are also still moving around in packs (road type) or charging down footpaths (note not bridal paths) at full speed without regard for pedestrians (MTB type) the latter in particular are going to kill a child soon.
Not a new phenomenon. And as an individual, a motorist and a cyclist it písses me off.

Getting out into the country alone on my bike was permitted. Getting out there and seeing a bunch of self-important tossers who'd snuck off to socialise wasn't on.

MAMILs, and all of a type.
 
What's a MAMIL?

Went for a 10k run today, local to me, must have encountered 250 plus fecking people walking dogs and trawling their kids all over the gaff. The sad thing is I could drive twenty minutes up the road and run for an hour and a half without meeting a soul.

But the lockdown restrictions say I am not allowed to and could be fined £200.00 if I do. It makes no sense whatsoever.

The guidance isn’t clear, and the Derbyshire Police, who issued the FPNs to the two dorises in the recent news story seem to be reviewing the decision. Having read the below news story, I really don’t know where I stand vis a vis driving 5 miles to go for a run in a place where I am unlikely to meet many people at all

According to the BBC:

But later, the force said new guidance from the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC) had "clarified the policing response concerning travel and exercise".
The guidance said: "The Covid regulations which officers enforce and which enables them to issue FPNs [fixed penalty notices] for breaches, do not restrict the distance travelled for exercise."

 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
The guidance isn’t clear, and the Derbyshire Police, who issued the FPNs to the two dorises in the recent news story seem to be reviewing the decision. Having read the below news story, I really don’t know where I stand vis a vis driving 5 miles to go for a run in a place where I am unlikely to meet many people at all

According to the BBC:

But later, the force said new guidance from the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC) had "clarified the policing response concerning travel and exercise".
The guidance said: "The Covid regulations which officers enforce and which enables them to issue FPNs [fixed penalty notices] for breaches, do not restrict the distance travelled for exercise."

Ultimately, it's about the risk of infection. If you're in that car, alone, travel, alone, train, alone and return home alone what risk are you?

A friend of mine was existing in a single room a mile from my place during the first lockdown. If he'd driven to mine, it would have been an illegal journey. If he walked, it would have counted as daily exercise - yet walking carried the greater risk of encountering someone infectious.

Isolation or distancing can go on, and can interaction, with the application of common sense. We were able to bubble and interact by leaving the garden gate open. He could walk over, sit at a distance in the garden and have a couple of ales, and then leave and put his empty bottles in the recycling, all without risk.

The problem is a combination of people's arrogance, selfishness and stupidity.

People are complaining about Draconian measures and heavy-handed policing. Well, the R-rate wouldn't be where it is if people had played fair.
 
The guidance isn’t clear, and the Derbyshire Police, who issued the FPNs to the two dorises in the recent news story seem to be reviewing the decision. Having read the below news story, I really don’t know where I stand vis a vis driving 5 miles to go for a run in a place where I am unlikely to meet many people at all

According to the BBC:

But later, the force said new guidance from the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC) had "clarified the policing response concerning travel and exercise".
The guidance said: "The Covid regulations which officers enforce and which enables them to issue FPNs [fixed penalty notices] for breaches, do not restrict the distance travelled for exercise."

Here is an extract from the Government Guidelines regarding travel. This section contradicts the section on leaving your home to exercise.

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Since lockdown I have only ever exercised (run) locally. But I run with my dog and we always meet loads of other villagers and their dogs in and around the village (there is one particular gaggle of oldies who have steadfastly walked together as a group throughout the whole pandemic). It annoys me. I have deliberately not driven elsewhere to run during lockdown, even though the places where I go to run are relatively wild places where I meet few, if any people.
 
Brooks Cascadia for me as I have very wide feet, although not the most aggressive sole. They come in widths up to 4E. Pretty much every other brand is too narrow for me. If you buy them direct from Brooks then they have a 90 day wear-and-return guarantee them if they’re not right. Inov8 have a huge range of shoes for different conditions but I found that they lacked a bit of cushioning if I was going further than maybe 10 miles.
 
OK - that's why you need lots of heel cushioning.

Maybe have a look online at articles upping your cadence a bit (I'm now much happier at 180 than I was at 120) - sorted our road niggles and helps massively with security on trails.

Might be good for you, might not, just an idea.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if you up you cadence, i.e. from 120 steps per minute to 180 steps per minute, that means you are taking more steps. Therefore your stride length is shorter, so more steps per minute increases the amount of impact with the ground, so more loading on the ankles and knees.

Isn't that worse than say 80 steps per minute? Longer strides, less steps? Less stress on the joints?
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if you up you cadence, i.e. from 120 steps per minute to 180 steps per minute, that means you are taking more steps. Therefore your stride length is shorter, so more steps per minute increases the amount of impact with the ground, so more loading on the ankles and knees.

Isn't that worse than say 80 steps per minute? Longer strides, less steps? Less stress on the joints?
I'd say that three steps a second is a little more than jogging, or even running.

You don't want to be artificially over-lengthening your stride. That way lies stress fractures. Run as you should walk - to your natural pace length. As for cadence, it depends whether you're after fat-burning and endurance, or speed.
 

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