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Toys for the Boys

Not one to miss out on a Cummings bandwagon, the Defence Secretary has promised to “embed technology through out the army”.
Never mind that the Army’s tanks and IFVs are obsolescent, it’s infantry under-motorised, it’s tube and rocket artillery out-gunned, its brigades undermanned and its housing sub standard. At least you get to play with drones!


On the flip side, you will have the hilariously large Ajax to deploy these from. Let’s hope the enemy doesn’t see or hear you coming first eh?
 
the Army’s tanks and IFVs are obsolescent

In what way? Ch2 is considered one of the best MBTs in the world? Warrior, still effective. Just because you‘ve dismissed them doesnt make them obsolescent.

it’s infantry under-motorised

Really? Id disagree with you on that as well.

it’s tube and rocket artillery out-gunned

Really? 155mm 60 calibre are the current optimum. Do you have news that they arent?

GMLRS - excellent piece of kit.

Drones will reduce the risk to troops on the ground, they have been used to great effect in Afghanistan. Personal drones will increase the survivability of soldiers.

This is a good thing.

I can conclude that youre either a journo, or a 12 year old kid who has no understanding of the real world.
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
In what way? Ch2 is considered one of the best MBTs in the world? Warrior, still effective. Just because you‘ve dismissed them doesnt make them obsolescent.
CR2 and Warrior are both still effective, (CR2 especially, the only tank that's ever killed a CR2 is still a CR2) but they're long in the tooth, and the numbers are going the wrong way.
 
CR2 and Warrior are both still effective, (CR2 especially, the only tank that's ever killed a CR2 is still a CR2) but they're long in the tooth, and the numbers are going the wrong way.

As seems to be the conclusion of a recent report regarding artillery.

'Britain’s new heavy artillery had been due to gain initial operating capability in the last quarter of 2026 but the MoD has confirmed that is now delayed until 2029.

'The procurement delay means the out-of-service date for AS90 has also gone back two years. A portion of the howitzer force will now be life-extended until 2032, coinciding with the operational date of the full divisional force.


 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
Not one to miss out on a Cummings bandwagon, the Defence Secretary has promised to “embed technology through out the army”.
Never mind that the Army’s tanks and IFVs are obsolescent, it’s infantry under-motorised, it’s tube and rocket artillery out-gunned, its brigades undermanned and its housing sub standard. At least you get to play with drones!


On the flip side, you will have the hilariously large Ajax to deploy these from. Let’s hope the enemy doesn’t see or hear you coming first eh?
Not quite sure why or how you've managed to cram an anti Cummings dig in (terminal BDS presumably), but what is the Defence Secretary supposed to say about new kit? "We're doomed", presumably.

Whilst you have a point about AJAX, @dingerr does rather put you in your place. My concern is the quantity and age of heavy metal available. No jokes about Iron Maiden, Motorhead etc please.
 
Ajax is big because it needs to provide protection against a variety of threats. It‘d be pretty pointless if a $200 RPG or a $5 IED took it out.

I‘ve seen the effect of IEDs on Warrior, its not pretty. AJAX is only a foot taller and wider and 5 foot longer than Warrior, its insignificant considering what it brings to the table.
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
Ajax is big because it needs to provide protection against a variety of threats. It‘d be pretty pointless if a $200 RPG or a $5 IED took it out.

I‘ve seen the effect of IEDs on Warrior, its not pretty. AJAX is only a foot taller and wider and 5 foot longer than Warrior, its insignificant considering what it brings to the table.
Horses for courses, compare AJAX with CVR(T) rather than WR. For the recce role it's bloody massive. An ancient design manufactured in Spain FFS, and then bolted together in Wales. A shed load of engineering problems, not to mention a hideously expensive main armament which provides a minor incremental increase in lethality, no inbuilt ATGM and no MMS. It's an awful solution for pretty much any problem.
 

Daxx

MIA
Book Reviewer
Ajax is big because it needs to provide protection against a variety of threats. It‘d be pretty pointless if a $200 RPG or a $5 IED took it out.

I‘ve seen the effect of IEDs on Warrior, its not pretty. AJAX is only a foot taller and wider and 5 foot longer than Warrior, its insignificant considering what it brings to the table.
Same. I had to deal with an up-armoured warrior in Iraq, taken out with an EFP laid under the road. Blew a big ******* hole under the turret and killed 5 personnel. AJAX is a nice improvement.
 

RTU'd

Old-Salt
And in down time this comes out.
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Not one to miss out on a Cummings bandwagon, the Defence Secretary has promised to “embed technology through out the army”.
Never mind that the Army’s tanks and IFVs are obsolescent, it’s infantry under-motorised, it’s tube and rocket artillery out-gunned, its brigades undermanned and its housing sub standard. At least you get to play with drones!

You're never going to find that drone again if it has an "unplanned" landing.

I wouldn't sign for it.
 
.....and its housing sub standard
Against what standard is the housing sub standard?

SFA standards required were reviewed by government against social housing.
The government standard for social housing is the ‘Decent Homes Standard’, Defence rejected this and produced ‘Decent Homes plus’

All SFA is now graded as DH+, DH and DH-, with a number of sub grades within each of those.
Policy is to not allocate DH-, unless it is not possible to provide an alternative.

Do you mean that the housing service is sub-standard? That would be more correct due to maintenance and repairs being kept within the treasury budget and upgrades prior to DH should have been put in place with the capital raised by selling off and leasing back (at a discount due to maintenance liability)
Funding has been constantly reduced and governments failed to keep their side of the bargain with MoD
Issues that people experience in SFA relate to the lack of and delays to maintenance, usually due to sourcing funding for the task

However things are being done about it -
1 allocating funding, but you still need to wait for it to happen and cannot fully refurb an occupied property
2 getting rid of SFA. The FAM project underway pilots the options of MoD providing SFA or just giving the family their allowance to choose and rent privately
 
Ajax is big because it needs to provide protection against a variety of threats. It‘d be pretty pointless if a $200 RPG or a $5 IED took it out.

I‘ve seen the effect of IEDs on Warrior, its not pretty. AJAX is only a foot taller and wider and 5 foot longer than Warrior, its insignificant considering what it brings to the table.

Ajax is bigger than a CR2! And probably more noisy too.
 

W21A

LE
Book Reviewer
Ajax
Length7.62 m (25 ft 0 in)
Width3.35 m (11 ft 0 in)
Height3.00 m (9 ft 10 in)

Challenger
Length (Hull only)8.3 m (27 ft 3 in),
Width3.5 m (11 ft 6 in)
Height 2.49 m (8 ft 2 in)
 
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compare AJAX with CVR(T) rather than WR

So? Does it provide better capability. You dont need to see CVR(T), you can hear it burping and farting along from miles away. Hardly stealthy.
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
So? Does it provide better capability. You dont need to see CVR(T), you can hear it burping and farting along from miles away. Hardly stealthy.
CVR(T) is considerably quieter than AJAX. If you're looking for stealth, a BIG clanky, tin box from Spain should not be the answer. If it's less suited for the role than the squeaky aluminium can from fifty years ago it's supposed to replace, it's a bad idea IMHO.
 

W21A

LE
Book Reviewer
Oooooh - get you. See amended post. The function of both vehicles is different, and a simple volume calculation will not reflect that. I suspect the 3 metre hieight of Ajax is to the top of the sensor mast, but don't quote me on it.

You should focus your energies on simple research skills rather than locating the keys of the outrage bus.
 

Bubbles_Barker

LE
Book Reviewer
CVR(T) is considerably quieter than AJAX. If you're looking for stealth, a BIG clanky, tin box from Spain should not be the answer. If it's less suited for the role than the squeaky aluminium can from fifty years ago it's supposed to replace, it's a bad idea IMHO.
Ajax must be really loud. Let’s face it though, if stealth really is your concern then neither are good for the job. Shankses pony remains the ultimate recce vehicle, fück the multi million pound equipment and sensor fits, just give them an iPhone, a couple of pot noodles and a can of red bull.
 

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