toxic officer warning

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  1. msr

    msr LE

    He contrasted the UK's experience with the US which, he said, had undergone a "remarkable transformation" since 2005 as the result of a "no holds barred" appraisal of its performance in Iraq.

    The Americans analyse the problem and fix it, we 'muddle through'.

    It was ever thus.

    msr
     
  2. Toxic leadership? I doubt it, as the army is so small now, that probably everyone in it can just about recognise everyone else. Under the circumstances, surely the leadership is more likely to respond to reports from the field. I wonder if John Major is actually trying to say that he prefers the American brigade system over the British regimental one. Another reduction in the defence budget has just been announced, so I shall watch to see how The Highlanders are reorganised to see if it proves my point.
     
  3. msr

    msr LE

  4. Thank you very much for the link Jim30, very interesting.

    I still think we should keep the regimental system, as our real weakness is lack of numbers - the armed forces have been reorganised to death already. Even if we adopt the American system, we shall still keep on reducing the defence budget until we can only support our allies with company sized detachments, if at all.

    Edited for duff spelling.
     
  5. Got to agree about the standards of leadership and management at certain levels of the MoD.

    I can tell you that I am currently studying with the Institute of Directors to become a Chartered Director and there are a lot of MoD people doing their courses. More than ever, which is odd because this time last year, there were none.

    They come from all ranks, all arms and all departments. Male and female, civvies doing support jobs and high ranking officers doing Whitehall jobs so it looks like things are going to change for the better.

    Having said that, you are what you are - cannon fodder. Like it or not, it is their job to get the ranks to chuck more bullets than they catch. In this modern age, "interesting times" is how it is referred, we think that we've got more rights and that the cause is right and true, when nothing could be further.

    WW1 was all about oil and Iraq but we are told to 'kill the bosch' and that it's something to do with that Arch duke that was shot. That just ignited it and the ensuing war was played out on the flatlands of northern Europe but all the same, most of life is the same old, same old.

    Tommy, get your gun.
     
  6. An interesting article and ARRSE even gets a mention at footnote 7.
     
  7. msr

    msr LE

    Have you been drinking?
     
  8. In "About Face" LT.Col. David Hackworth bitterly lamented the demise of the regimental system. IIRC it was replaced with the Pentomic battlegroup which diffused the sense of belonging inherent in the regiments. He was equally dark about 'corporal' being replaced with 'specialist' ranks, which he said removed the GI's sense of achievement in getting promoted.
    TTBOMK the Australian aping of the Pentomic structure was deemed to have been a failure.
     
  9. Very interesting and it's certainly true that very few of the British public (and many of us military types) know about the Iraq and oil pipeline aspect of the First World War - the underlying strategy. The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand was completely irrelevant in strategic terms and a pretty bizarre excuse that simple-minded folks everywhere now seem to think started the war.
     
  10. So you don't think the assassination was a trigger to a conflict that saw a complicated series of intercations in the Balkans? Haldane would have been thrilled to learn that Iraq and oil was the problem and not a weakened Ottoman Empire, a Serbia getting more powerful every day - which Dimitrejivic and the pawn Princip also believed in. The Austrians, you will be surprised to learn, didn't really agree with this.

    The German Armed Forces getting restive and and The Army and Naval Staffs were urging war earlier rather than later. Russia was also modernising and updating it Forces. We were in the middle of a serious naval race with the Germans.

    How do you manage to squeez Iraqi oil into this equation although the problem WAS global.
     
  11. its not toxic leadership.
    its trying to do anything with a budget for show really :roll:

    Mod has pissed loads up the wall and isn't the most efficient of organizations
     
  12. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Interesting article. I wonder if he would have been allowed to publish it as a serving officer or if any serving officer would be happy to publish such an article without fearing 'retribution'?
     
  13. The Regimental system can survive the battlegroup option, they just need to be tied to each other in a relationship that is proven. Bear in mind that ALL British (for example) recruits all train together at CIC, where as certainly the SPAM model sees them come in from different areas.

    Re the Cpl, it is a shame to lose that rank. IIRC at one point though you had E4 Spec and E5 - E8 at least. THis gave a promotionstream for various geeky specialists with out the rank.