Towing on motorways.

#1
and recovery. My guys recently had a run in with the plod over stopping for a casualty vehicle that had broken down on the M11. Plod pulled up whilst they were righting the wrong and told them to **** off as they weren't recovery and they were breaking the law by stopping. They argued the case and won because they had already fixed the wagon. Can I find something in writing to cover this and clarify the law on towing vehicles on motorways ?
 
#2
I remember a certain Unit ES callsign had pulled in to assist with broken down vehicle on hard shoulder.After assistance, as ES vehicle moving off drunk driver drove into vehicle and wrote veh off.Big case against Army,drunk driver said he didnt see big armoured vehicle no lights or anything.All went to court as police prosecuted young reccy mech.

After a legal wrangling police succumb,Recovery callsigns with winkie pots have the autonomy as AA or other breakdown services.

Will try and find link. :)
 
#3
I have JSP341 and Recovery manual in PDF format so I did a simple search on the word MOTORWAY and RECOVERY

According to JSP341;

ROADSIDE BREAKDOWN
18.010 Self recovery. Units may be required to recover their own vehicles, within an area identified in the appropriate Comd ES recovery plan. Self recovery should always be the first option if feasible.

BREAKDOWN AND RECOVERY - SAFETY ASPECTS
9.261 Towing Disabled Vehicles. A towed vehicle is defined in law as a trailer; the driver of the towing vehicle must therefore be appropriately licensed. The towing of disabled vehicles requires considerable care by the drivers of both the towed and towing vehicles as poor technique or incorrect procedures may result in a serious accident. Any special precautions necessary prior to towing, such as disconnection of drive shaft or coupling of airbrakes, are given in the User Handbook of the vehicle concerned. For unfamiliar vehicles or in case of doubt, reference to the User Handbook is to be made prior to the start of towing operations.
Note: Vehicles are only to be towed on motorways, for the minimum distance necessary, to reach a place of safety where recovery may be effected by a recovery vehicle.
So I went to the Recovery Manual and did a search for the word MOTORWAY and guess what, not a single occurance. I also checked the online highway code and again nothing. It says bugger all anywhere about repair on the side of the motorway, so in absence of anything else, to act in accordance with Drivers Standing Orders JSP 341, you should tow it to the nearest safe place then affect the repair. On that point though I am more than happy to be proved wrong because I don't see the AA/RAC doing that!!
 
#4
I remember a couple of years ago, I was on exercise and was in a convoy where one of the landies broke down northbound on the m5 just outside Bristol. We did attempt to do a bodged repair on it (leaking fuel pipe) that would last until the nearest service station when a traffic piggy vechicle pulled up and asked if they could help. They didn't have a go at us though....
 
#5
the_matelot said:
I remember a couple of years ago, I was on exercise and was in a convoy where one of the landies broke down northbound on the m5 just outside Bristol. We did attempt to do a bodged repair on it (leaking fuel pipe) that would last until the nearest service station when a traffic piggy vechicle pulled up and asked if they could help. They didn't have a go at us though....
Yep "some" traffic coppers have a little common sense but that's because not all of them were bullied at school!
 
#6
Thanks for the help, according to this place there is nothing stopping you towing the casualty all the way to your destination ( except JSP341 it seems )...
http://www.traffic-answers.com/motorways.htm

Perhaps JSP341 is covering unit self recovery where it would make sense to tow the casualty to the next exit / services. Surely a recovery vehicle would be exempt this ruling.
 
#7
lacrabat said:
Perhaps JSP341 is covering unit self recovery where it would make sense to tow the casualty to the next exit / services. Surely a recovery vehicle would be exempt this ruling.
Yes it would, when you look at the rules recovery vehicles are exempt almost everthing even down to road tax, a 30t wrecker only pays about £15 a year!
 
#8
VerminWA said:
lacrabat said:
Perhaps JSP341 is covering unit self recovery where it would make sense to tow the casualty to the next exit / services. Surely a recovery vehicle would be exempt this ruling.
Yes it would, when you look at the rules recovery vehicles are exempt almost everthing even down to road tax, a 30t wrecker only pays about £15 a year!
I presume you refer to a civvy wrecker? I thought all mil vehicles were expemt road tax as they belong to HM and she pays the bills so there's little point in her paying the tax to herself...
 
#9
having been a recovery mech for 22 years and just finished my cpc national as far as i am concerned you can tow a disabled vehicle on the motorway to the next off ramp and then you have to use a roads. you can use a st8 bar or tow rope (over 4m long) or sup / sus tow. the disabled vehicle becomes your trailer. artics are classed as 1 vehicle but can only be towed off the motorway by a non recovery vehicle if unladen. if laden then a new unit must be brought to tow the trailer. hope that answers your question.
 
#10
Once the disabled vehicle is attached to the rear of the recovery vehicle it becomes a trailer. There is no law that prevents the military from towing on motorways as long as a minimum speed of 30mph can be maintained. The only exception to this is if the casualty vehicle is carrying a hazardous load in which case it can only be towed to a place of safety(this is the same for civilian recovery mechanics).
Hope this helps
 
#11
Use to be with !6 Tank Transporter Sqn Wksp. Remember one time towing 2 dead Antars back to Fally with a Ballast when along come German plod who informed "that it was FORBITTEN". :x
When we started to unhitch dead tractors to leave in middle of Autobahn great loss of humour.said that they were going to check with higher ups and did not want to see any trucks when they came back!

Oh happy days on the road :D
 
#12
RECMEC said:
Once the disabled vehicle is attached to the rear of the recovery vehicle it becomes a trailer. There is no law that prevents the military from towing on motorways as long as a minimum speed of 30mph can be maintained. The only exception to this is if the casualty vehicle is carrying a hazardous load in which case it can only be towed to a place of safety(this is the same for civilian recovery mechanics).
Hope this helps
Thanks for the replies, so other than an unhelpfull and vague bit in JSP 341, nothing laid down in writing ? Another example of something not clearly worded and being left open to interpretation ( whatever we do will be wrong ) !!!

Example 1. Landrover broke down on motorway hard shoulder, unit turns up with Daf/Bedford and has straight bar and a marker board. The only thing stopping them from towing casualty vehicle all the way to final destination is JSP 341, not civi law ?

Example 2. Vehicle in unit lines needs recovery to ABRO, unit has the above capability and the vehicle is safe to be towed, can it be ?

These examples assume that the personel involved have been instructed on towing vehicles and have all the right boxes ticked in case some competency freak is reading this.. :D
 
#13
dutch-64 said:
having been a recovery mech for 22 years and just finished my cpc national as far as i am concerned you can tow a disabled vehicle on the motorway to the next off ramp and then you have to use a roads. you can use a st8 bar or tow rope (over 4m long) or sup / sus tow. the disabled vehicle becomes your trailer. artics are classed as 1 vehicle but can only be towed off the motorway by a non recovery vehicle if unladen. if laden then a new unit must be brought to tow the trailer. hope that answers your question.
:1: What he said, you can tow the vehicle to the next off ramp.
 
#15
lacrabat said:
and recovery. My guys recently had a run in with the plod over stopping for a casualty vehicle that had broken down on the M11. Plod pulled up whilst they were righting the wrong and told them to * off as they weren't recovery and they were breaking the law by stopping. They argued the case and won because they had already fixed the wagon. Can I find something in writing to cover this and clarify the law on towing vehicles on motorways ?
You will find that the civvy police have a police recovery contract running on that piece of motorway and prefer to use them.
 
#16
chelsea63 said:
Use to be with !6 Tank Transporter Sqn Wksp. Remember one time towing 2 dead Antars back to Fally with a Ballast when along come German plod who informed "that it was FORBITTEN". :x
When we started to unhitch dead tractors to leave in middle of Autobahn great loss of humour.said that they were going to check with higher ups and did not want to see any trucks when they came back!

Oh happy days on the road :D
We are not worthy!:)
 
#17
b16stu said:
lacrabat said:
and recovery. My guys recently had a run in with the plod over stopping for a casualty vehicle that had broken down on the M11. Plod pulled up whilst they were righting the wrong and told them to * off as they weren't recovery and they were breaking the law by stopping. They argued the case and won because they had already fixed the wagon. Can I find something in writing to cover this and clarify the law on towing vehicles on motorways ?
You will find that the civvy police have a police recovery contract running on that piece of motorway and prefer to use them.
What's a police recovery contract? (Sorry if this is bone!)
 
#19
We had a UBRE on an 8 tonner breakdown after picking it up from Marchwood. The damn thing packed up on one of the busiest roundabouts going. A traffic copper pulled up in a Volvo estate and asked the driver if he needed a tow!
 
#20
flamingo said:
b16stu said:
lacrabat said:
and recovery. My guys recently had a run in with the plod over stopping for a casualty vehicle that had broken down on the M11. Plod pulled up whilst they were righting the wrong and told them to * off as they weren't recovery and they were breaking the law by stopping. They argued the case and won because they had already fixed the wagon. Can I find something in writing to cover this and clarify the law on towing vehicles on motorways ?
You will find that the civvy police have a police recovery contract running on that piece of motorway and prefer to use them.
What's a police recovery contract? (Sorry if this is bone!)
I'll pick up this bone.
All the police forces throughout the UK have prefered Recovery Operators who are contracted to recovery vehicles on main routes. Generally to qualify your fleet and recovery equipment must meet the laid down criteria. Some plod take it to the extreme and with move another operator along. I hope this helps.
 

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