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Tougher sentancing for assaults on emergency services?

ugly

LE
Moderator
Agreed, however, we already have a two tier system. The average, "life sentence" for murder is less than 20 years. The murderer of Jo Cox was given a Whole Life Tariff. Now, I have absolutely no problem with Mair dying in jail. He deserves it. But so does everyone else who commits murder. There should be no difference in the sentence you receive whether your victim was politician or a hooker(insert joke here). But that's not how the UK works. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
100% agree, I said we need though not we have! Shame on the system it was ever thus.
 
100% agree, not only do we not want or need a two tier society we need fairness.

When you assault an emergency service worker in the execution of their duty, it is an aggravating factor because it stops that duty being done and is seen as an attack on the state.

It’s already taken into account when sentencing so as you put it we already have a 2 tier system, that however is wrong because we have an infinite tier system because everything in nuanced with multiple sentencing guides for different offences and aggravating factors.
 
Just change the definitions a little.

Ie instead of having to prove Section 18 GBH make it simple.

'Did you assault, As per section 39, 47, 18 or 20, an identifiable or known member of the emergency, armed or other public services* whilst they attempted to carry out their duty, regardless of their duty status, or in retaliation for carrying out their duty?'

yes - life, no parole for 20 years, take them down. Killing would attract no parole.

*including prison officers, forest th commission, etc.

And for extra remediation.

Striking an individual in the head, or when they are on the ground or unable to protect themselves. Life, no parole.
 
It does lead to seriously doubt it when you read that Anjem Choudary is considered to remain dangerous... but will be released anyway???
Hate preacher Anjem Choudary to be freed from jail despite remaining 'genuinely dangerous'

or... Daniel Jervis who has 14 priors, multiple community orders, and a brother who has just been sentenced for killing a man was seen on CCTV committing an unprovoked attack on a woman who he repeatedly punched in the head with two other men watching.

The Chairman of the magistrates, Mr Jobanputra, was quoted as saying: "This is quite a serious offence and a fairly vicious attack on the victim"...
then ends up with "I understand that life has become difficult for you since you were identified in the video after it was shared on social media, but we are struggling to think of a way to keep your sentence short.” He was then given 12 weeks of which he might only serve six.

Jervis's brother had the previous day murdered Ramniklal Jogiya, 74, along with two other gang members. Mr Jogiya had been tortured to hand over the keys to his shop with the code for the alarm and the safe. He had a total of 27 injuries, broken ribs, wounds to face, hands and arms - and major brain injury.
Thugs tortured jeweller so badly his bicep ripped from bone and left him to die

Present figures show 60 per cent of those handed short sentences go on to commit more crimes when they are released. The Ministry of Justice revealed there were 5,521,956 crimes recorded in the 11 years up to 2015-16 by offenders who had already been before the police and courts. Of these, 869,200 had previously been issued with cautions and 824,629 with absolute and conditional discharges.

Justice Minister Rory Stewart said he also wanted to “significantly reduce, if not eliminate” jail terms of under 12 months as he believed community orders were more effective?????

Ministers have argued prisons have stopped working because they have become “offender warehouses”????

Isn’t that what prisons are!!! Places where the antisocial and violent elements of society are kept to separate them from the public who they prey upon?

Community orders for violent offenders to remain free??? Certainly the previous ‘multiple community orders in Daniel Jervis’s case doesn’t seem to have altered his behaviour, and one wonders just how many priors his brother had before his last victim was tortured to death.
 
It does lead to seriously doubt it when you read that Anjem Choudary is considered to remain dangerous... but will be released anyway???
Hate preacher Anjem Choudary to be freed from jail despite remaining 'genuinely dangerous'

or... Daniel Jervis who has 14 priors, multiple community orders, and a brother who has just been sentenced for killing a man was seen on CCTV committing an unprovoked attack on a woman who he repeatedly punched in the head with two other men watching.

The Chairman of the magistrates, Mr Jobanputra, was quoted as saying: "This is quite a serious offence and a fairly vicious attack on the victim"...
then ends up with "I understand that life has become difficult for you since you were identified in the video after it was shared on social media, but we are struggling to think of a way to keep your sentence short.” He was then given 12 weeks of which he might only serve six.

Jervis's brother had the previous day murdered Ramniklal Jogiya, 74, along with two other gang members. Mr Jogiya had been tortured to hand over the keys to his shop with the code for the alarm and the safe. He had a total of 27 injuries, broken ribs, wounds to face, hands and arms - and major brain injury.
Thugs tortured jeweller so badly his bicep ripped from bone and left him to die

Present figures show 60 per cent of those handed short sentences go on to commit more crimes when they are released. The Ministry of Justice revealed there were 5,521,956 crimes recorded in the 11 years up to 2015-16 by offenders who had already been before the police and courts. Of these, 869,200 had previously been issued with cautions and 824,629 with absolute and conditional discharges.

Justice Minister Rory Stewart said he also wanted to “significantly reduce, if not eliminate” jail terms of under 12 months as he believed community orders were more effective?????

Ministers have argued prisons have stopped working because they have become “offender warehouses”????

Isn’t that what prisons are!!! Places where the antisocial and violent elements of society are kept to separate them from the public who they prey upon?

Community orders for violent offenders to remain free??? Certainly the previous ‘multiple community orders in Daniel Jervis’s case doesn’t seem to have altered his behaviour, and one wonders just how many priors his brother had before his last victim was tortured to death.


The jobs fuuked
 
100% agree, I said we need though not we have! Shame on the system it was ever thus.


Same in SA. Torture and murder farmers and if they bother finding you, there's a chance you may get 5-10. Knock off a hero of the regime and you'll sit in prison until you die (more than 25 years in the case of Derby Lewis and Walusz.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
It does lead to seriously doubt it when you read that Anjem Choudary is considered to remain dangerous... but will be released anyway???
Hate preacher Anjem Choudary to be freed from jail despite remaining 'genuinely dangerous'

or... Daniel Jervis who has 14 priors, multiple community orders, and a brother who has just been sentenced for killing a man was seen on CCTV committing an unprovoked attack on a woman who he repeatedly punched in the head with two other men watching.

The Chairman of the magistrates, Mr Jobanputra, was quoted as saying: "This is quite a serious offence and a fairly vicious attack on the victim"...
then ends up with "I understand that life has become difficult for you since you were identified in the video after it was shared on social media, but we are struggling to think of a way to keep your sentence short.” He was then given 12 weeks of which he might only serve six.

Jervis's brother had the previous day murdered Ramniklal Jogiya, 74, along with two other gang members. Mr Jogiya had been tortured to hand over the keys to his shop with the code for the alarm and the safe. He had a total of 27 injuries, broken ribs, wounds to face, hands and arms - and major brain injury.
Thugs tortured jeweller so badly his bicep ripped from bone and left him to die

Present figures show 60 per cent of those handed short sentences go on to commit more crimes when they are released. The Ministry of Justice revealed there were 5,521,956 crimes recorded in the 11 years up to 2015-16 by offenders who had already been before the police and courts. Of these, 869,200 had previously been issued with cautions and 824,629 with absolute and conditional discharges.

Justice Minister Rory Stewart said he also wanted to “significantly reduce, if not eliminate” jail terms of under 12 months as he believed community orders were more effective?????

Ministers have argued prisons have stopped working because they have become “offender warehouses”????

Isn’t that what prisons are!!! Places where the antisocial and violent elements of society are kept to separate them from the public who they prey upon?

Community orders for violent offenders to remain free??? Certainly the previous ‘multiple community orders in Daniel Jervis’s case doesn’t seem to have altered his behaviour, and one wonders just how many priors his brother had before his last victim was tortured to death.
In fact if these politicians listened to the public then prisons would be full and we would be building more prisons to house more offenders. If locking them up for short terms doesn't work then lock them up for longer and make a sentence mean what it says. If an offender commits crimes whilst in prison then add the punishment onto the end of the sentence and remove all chance of parole including any rehabilitation. Punish them, thats what the public want.
 
Judicial birching of thugs, Isle of Man, July 1965 - CORPUN ARCHIVE ioju6507

The birching of four 19yo scroats in 1965 in the Isle of Man.

Certainly its use today seems wrong, a relic from the brutal days of violent flogging.

But do young thugs who attack people with bottles and kick them when they fall to the ground, deserve anything better?

The four 19-year-old Glasgow youths who were given nine strokes of the birch on the Isle of Man are revealed as babbling cowards.

Miserable little bullies who profess themselves shocked at being birched -- although one of their victims had his jaw broken.

Revealing
As they stood in the police cell with their trousers off I wonder if they thought about violence, of how frightened innocent holidaymakers were when they started their brutal little battle?

What I find particularly revealing is the shrill, whining and completely nauseating remarks they made after being birched.

James McKell, of 46 Cathay Street, Milton, was quoted as saying he could hardly believe he was in the 20th century!

"The pain was fantastic -- I kept screaming for my parents."

What a punk! Ready to dish out trouble as part of a gang but unable to take a caning.
 

Le_addeur_noir

On ROPS
On ROPs
The original concept was yesterday routinely arming all police officers with tazers.

After coming across this article on Facebook i was divided on the concept on police officers being issued with tazer weapons, routinely including all Specials and Regulars.

Now after some pondering, I'm quite confident these guys have no one to blame but themselves, but that's me, they confronted an unarmed pisshead with no weapons and ended up getting smashed up despite being armed with the minimal kit such as stab vests, captor spray, batons etc, quite embarassing if you ask me, considering they were supposed to be highly trained and proficient frontline UK officers, alot of the supporters on the original UK board were calling for tazers and also arming frontline officers with firearms...


Case study: Thames Valley - horrific woodland attack

PC Lucie Chhetri and PC John Donovan were subjected to a horrifc attack in a remote rural spot in West Berkshire.

Their attacker - an intoxicated man accompanied by a young child - had driven into a ditch. The officers tried to help, but in a split second he turned into a “complete maniac”. PC Chhetri had her head smashed against a police car and her colleague was also punched repeatedly.

She said: “There were no signs, no body language clues – he went from zero to 100 in the blink of an eye. We sprayed him with Captor but it had no effect, he was like a raging bull.”

Back-up was 20 minutes away and the radio controller had poor local knowledge. Both officers feared for their lives. Later an ambulance took 40 minutes to arrive as it was diverted to another job. The suspect left with the injured offcers following a safe distance behind.

He was eventually arrested by officers from neighbouring Hampshire and appeared in court a year later. He denied the assaults but body worn video footage revealed the truth and he was jailed for two years.

PC Chhetri believes they got a good result in court but feels that if either officer had been carrying a Taser, they may have been able to subdue the offender without being assaulted.

PC O’Donovan (since promoted to sergeant), described the incident as like “something out of a horror movie”. He had to walk into hospital in front of members of the public in a muddied police uniform with injuries on display. The encounter has left him with recurring nightmares which he will be dealing with for some time.

He recalls: “The man was on the rampage – intent on causing serious harm. He was a lot stronger than me. He literally held me down and rained blows of immense force towards my head. He seemed to take great pleasure in inflicting this pain and I really didn’t think he was going to stop."

PC O'Donovan said his wife was devastated: “She talked about what would have happened if things had been worse and I had not come home to her and our baby. She wants me to leave policing as she feels that it is not safe.”

Police assaults

"Assaults on police officers are sadly commonplace. Our latest welfare survey data suggests there were more than two million unarmed physical assaults on officers over 12 months, and a further 302,842 assaults using a deadly weapon during the same period. These figures estimate that an assault on a police officer happens every four minutes.

To assault a police officer, prison officer, or other emergency service worker is to attack society itself and should never be accepted as ‘part of the job’. Together with our partners, the British Transport Police Federation and Prison Officers’ Association, and supporters, we are campaigning for:

a change in legislation
tougher sentences
better training and access to equipment
more accurate data on police assaults
improved welfare support
more consistent reporting of assaults on emergency services (as these are vastly under reported)
training and access to body-worn video, Taser and spit and bite guards

Far tougher sentences must be made available to the courts. Up to life for extreme cases.
 

joey88

Old-Salt
Seeing as how, if its a trial for a single offence, Magistrates can only impose a maximum of 6 months prison it seems unlikely they will use them
I am assuming that as the maximum term of imprisonment is 1year this will become an either way offence. Therefore upon being found guilty the magistrate would have the option to refer it to the crown court for sentencing if they consider six months custody not to be sufficient punishment.
If this is the case I would like to see this option used early in order to send out a clear message.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
What offences would you like to have a life sentence as an option that don't currently have it?
Easy !

First offences of:
- Sexual assault of a child.
- Perverting the course of justice.
- Possession of a bicycle and lycra clothing.
 

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