Tory MP Stabbed

Remember that if Steptoe had inched it in 2017 there is a very good chance that an Islamaphobia Law would be on the statute book rather like the old Blasphemy Law's.
It was one GE earlier. IIRC Miliband's team let it be known such a law would be on the statute book soon if Labour won. I've always wondered if that swung it the Tories way in 2015 given how wrong the opinion polls were.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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Always worth reposting this


Penned by Robert Bolt, the Rolls Royce-driving socialist (Private Eye).

The counter-argument, which Bolt fails to address, is what happens when a jungle is deliberately constructed to frustrate the law or what happens when the law fails to provide an effective alternative to the greater barbarities it was developed to prevent.
 
I'm finding as I get older, a lot of my personal beliefs/opinions really do get tested by events like these, that make me question them in a way i'm not entirely comfortable with.

Like in this instance where I personally am against the death penalty, but find it hard to stand by it when such a foul creature kills an entirely innocent man for seemingly nothing more than mindless hate.

Indeed and you are not the only one, I think that can say that they are troubled by such times we live in today and are in many ways wretched.

While there is much merriment made at the antics of the 'Cold War Warriors' and the harking back to better imagined times, there certainly seemed to be better social cohesion. Now of course there has never been a golden age, but I struggle to see what many younger generations call progressive, as sustainable improvement. This is perhaps better served in another thread.
 

Fedaykin

War Hero
Do you actually have an argument or are you simply another blight on society who thinks that incontinent vehemence and aggression on the internet can compensate for the intellectual vacuum at the heart of your reasoning?

Many people have had to do repugnant things to save the collective hide of this country and/or to safeguard its interests - i.e. your hide and your interests, some of whom are posting on this thread. Like it or not, you benefit from these repugnant things.

There is always a debate, though it's easy to see why you wish that there wasn't.

P.S. If Bentley hadn't decided to commit a crime with an armed accomplice, he wouldn't have been hanged. Professional crims used to check each other before a job to make sure they weren't tooled up for exactly that reason. This tends to suggest that the prospect of getting strung up had a moderating effect on the criminal classes.
Go boil your head, I don't get into debates with people who call me a blight on society.

The Death Penalty is repugnant END OF!

Derek Bentley and his death at the hands of the state is a primary reason why Capital punishment was thankfully abolished.

There is an overwhelming Parliamentary majority opposed to the restoration of Capital Punishment and those who want it restored are a pitiful fringe only worthy of contempt.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
Go boil your head, I don't get into debates with people who call me a blight on society.

The Death Penalty is repugnant END OF!

Derek Bentley and his death at the hands of the state is a primary reason why Capital punishment was thankfully abolished.

There is an overwhelming Parliamentary majority opposed to the restoration of Capital Punishment and those who want it restored are a pitiful fringe only worthy of contempt.

I suspect from your ignorant intemperance that you don't get into debates at all.

You're clearly one of those very limited and inexperienced people, with whom this country is now sadly over-supplied, for whom writing 'END OF' in capital letters on a social media forum is the apogee of the Socratic Method.

My spaniels display more intellectual rigour chasing squirrels than you've managed to display on this thread.
 

Aquavite

Old-Salt
Go boil your head, I don't get into debates with people who call me a blight on society.

The Death Penalty is repugnant END OF!

Derek Bentley and his death at the hands of the state is a primary reason why Capital punishment was thankfully abolished.

There is an overwhelming Parliamentary majority opposed to the restoration of Capital Punishment and those who want it restored are a pitiful fringe only worthy of contempt.
Shut up you angry little prick.

END OF.
 
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Indeed and you are not the only one, I think that can say that they are troubled by such times we live in today and are in many ways wretched.

While there is much merriment made at the antics of the 'Cold War Warriors' and the harking back to better imagined times, there certainly seemed to be better social cohesion. Now of course there has never been a golden age, but I struggle to see what many younger generations call progressive, as sustainable improvement. This is perhaps better served in another thread.
I agree, this is best left for a more appropriate thread
 
There is an overwhelming Parliamentary majority opposed to the restoration of Capital Punishment and those who want it restored are a pitiful fringe only worthy of contempt.

You can’t possibly know that. The last vote on restoring the death penalty was 1997.

The UK would first have to vote on stepping back from the ECHR before a new vote on the death penalty is even discussed.
 

MrBane

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I see Diane Abbot wants to meet constituents from behind a screen. That would need to be a mighty big ******* screen.

It's horrible and all, and shouldn't happen, but it has happened and will no doubt happen again. Just as people can be stabbed without reason walking down the high street, or have some junkie burst into their house and rape and murder them.

This is the world we live in, the country we live in. MPs need to accept that the threat is part and parcel of life and crack on with the job and show solidarity, and the vast majority do. Some of them are saying all meetings should be Zoom and suchlike, or Abbott with her idea of a prison style screen, for fucksake.

They seem to fail to realise that if they did this, then the people that want to put a wedge into our democracy win.
 
Go boil your head, I don't get into debates with people who call me a blight on society.

The Death Penalty is repugnant END OF!

Derek Bentley and his death at the hands of the state is a primary reason why Capital punishment was thankfully abolished.

There is an overwhelming Parliamentary majority opposed to the restoration of Capital Punishment and those who want it restored are a pitiful fringe only worthy of contempt.

Start by bring back the death penalty for Treason, and start with Tony Blair

Then sack the entire CPS, and start for scratch, with people more in tune with law and order
 
Indeed and you are not the only one, I think that can say that they are troubled by such times we live in today and are in many ways wretched.

While there is much merriment made at the antics of the 'Cold War Warriors' and the harking back to better imagined times, there certainly seemed to be better social cohesion. Now of course there has never been a golden age, but I struggle to see what many younger generations call progressive, as sustainable improvement. This is perhaps better served in another thread.

Progressive is short hand for regressive and is trying to create a marxist utopia where the proles will be starved to death on their collective farms
 
I see Diane Abbot wants to meet constituents from behind a screen. That would need to be a mighty big ******* screen.

It's horrible and all, and shouldn't happen, but it has happened and will no doubt happen again. Just as people can be stabbed without reason walking down the high street, or have some junkie burst into their house and rape and murder them.

This is the world we live in, the country we live in. MPs need to accept that the threat is part and parcel of life and crack on with the job and show solidarity, and the vast majority do. Some of them are saying all meetings should be Zoom and suchlike, or Abbott with her idea of a prison style screen, for fucksake.

They seem to fail to realise that if they did this, then the people that want to put a wedge into our democracy win.
This is the country we live in that MP's have created..........
 
I gave a funny, but will answer seriously.

They (his barrister) are unlikely to be going in there trying to prove his innocence.

Everyone is entitled to have someone qualified and competent to be there for them during a trial, if not trying to defend them, at least making sure the proper legal procedures etc are adhered to, as anything untoward or legally incorrect could potentially used in an appeal later on.

Edit to add: The prosecution may have a "slam-dunk" case here, but it is down to them to make sure they see it through with a thorough and professional job.

A lawyer who claims they believe in justice is like a whore who claims she only sleeps with men she loves. Because, at the end of the day, that's all our legal system is: just another brass. Spreading her legs for whoever has enough money.

On reflection, that analogy is not entirely accurate: I've hired lawyers and whores. The difference is, I always respected the whores. ;)
 

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