Tory meltdown

Would you still vote for the Tories?

  • I'm not a tory voter anyway.

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  • Not without the promised referendum

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  • I'll be voting for another party now

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Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
#1
It appears that eurosceptic MPs had promised not to rock the boat in the run up to the next general election, though the wheels appear to be coming off.

Hannan has resigned his position and the press is full of leaks from, mainly unnamed MPs, criticizing Cameron over his 'U turn' on a referendum.

Whilst I think most people knew something like this would happen should Lisbon be ratified, he was after all deliberately vague about the consequences, Hague's admission that clawing back powers from Europe won't even be on the agenda for some time after they take power is a bombshell to the grass roots Conservative supporters.

It's difficult to argue with Cameron's argument that Afghanistan and the economy have to take precedence, however this is hardly a vote winner.

Wheeler, UKIPs main benefactor, reckons that they cost the Conservatives 30 seats at the last election. Add in public dissatisfaction with sitting MPs and their troughing, along with the anti-european sentiment and you have a recipe for disaster at the next general election.

Is it possible that we could see UKIP able to finally bring serious pressure to bear? Or could it go further than that?
 
#2
How can he hold a referendum on somehting that has happened?

We have ratified the Lisbon Treaty. End of.

Perhaps in the future we can look at modifing it or abandoning it.

But Cams referendum promise is as broken as a promise I could make to keep a car till I am retired, said car then get's smashed in to by a drunk driver whilst I am asleep in bed.
 
#3
Flight said:
Whilst I think most people knew something like this would happen should Lisbon be ratified, he was after all deliberately vague about the consequences...
As you suggest, this was pretty much on the cards. Anyone who believed that this would play out any other way has been too easily led by a hopeful media.

Frankly, I'm more likely to vote Conservative if it continues along a more pragmatic path of realising that the EU programme needs adjustment to make it less self-serving and bureaucratic, and more supportive of member states. That's where the political horsepower should go - and hopefully someone statesmanlike and with a bit of backbone will emerge to do it.

You need to edit your poll? - not exactly inviting a broad range of answers, is it? :roll:

The whole binary in/out UKIP thing is a childish sideshow with some rather nasty people on the periphery...
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
#4
Apologies for the poll, looks as though the last option was lost in the ether....

Hmmm.... It won't allow an edit. Could a mod add an option for Still a tory supporter or somesuch?
 
#5
I wouldnt vote for any of the three main parties nowdays. What does it matter if we are governed by Blue Labour or New Labour?
UKIP seem to be the best choice at the moment...
 
#6
Flight said:
Apologies for the poll, looks as though the last option was lost in the ether....

Hmmm.... It won't allow an edit. Could a mod add an option for Still a tory supporter or somesuch?
Flight (or Melanie), is this you? Fighting back against all the anti-Commisar Broon threads?

New Labour Web Team

off you pop back to Victoria Street lest Guido catches you...
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
I thought this would be a serious thread on the implications for next year's general election.

Don't know who Melanie is, why don't you trot on and play with her nicely?
 
#8
Pretty pointless considering the poll you put in. Not biased at all, is it.............. :roll:
 
#9
A Tory meltdown? Now I'm not a great supporter of the Conservatives but from most things I've seen in the papers its been more of a damp squib from the Eurosceptic Conservative MPs. If you want meltdown I'd say look across the chamber at the government benches.
 
#10
I'll be voting Tory, they are the only credible opposition to Labour, who have to go.

Labour have spent zillions on the health service and education, put in lots of targets, and what has it acheived? Drastically overpaid GP's, SATs that are stressful for children and have problems with marking, to be scrapped - how much did that little exercise cost? Prisons that are crowded, and criminals being cautioned for ABH. I've visited a prison - it was so much cleaner than the local hospital, and the inmates have a reputation for cooking their own food, and doing it well. From experience, hospital food is dire. I'd rather be on rations.

Labour has not provided the forces with enough resources, and yet it fails to do anything to change the extortionately expensive public pension bill. The private sector has to cope with money purchase plans, and to add insult to injury, they also have to prop up the gold-plated public sector pensions. I wouldn't take anything from the armed forces / police / fireservice though - anyone who is prepared to lay their life on the line deserves all the support we can give them.

If their was a credible opposition party that would get us out of Europe, I'd vote for them instead. I really do not understand what benefits being in the EC brings us, and it particularly annoys me that the country has never had a chance to vote on whether we should be in or not.
 
#11
Flight said:
It appears that eurosceptic MPs had promised not to rock the boat in the run up to the next general election, though the wheels appear to be coming off.

Hannan has resigned his position and the press is full of leaks from, mainly unnamed MPs, criticizing Cameron over his 'U turn' on a referendum.

Whilst I think most people knew something like this would happen should Lisbon be ratified, he was after all deliberately vague about the consequences, Hague's admission that clawing back powers from Europe won't even be on the agenda for some time after they take power is a bombshell to the grass roots Conservative supporters.

It's difficult to argue with Cameron's argument that Afghanistan and the economy have to take precedence, however this is hardly a vote winner.

Wheeler, UKIPs main benefactor, reckons that they cost the Conservatives 30 seats at the last election. Add in public dissatisfaction with sitting MPs and their troughing, along with the anti-european sentiment and you have a recipe for disaster at the next general election.

Is it possible that we could see UKIP able to finally bring serious pressure to bear? Or could it go further than that?
Yeah Cyclops gets back in...all you tory voters(I am one also)...be very carefull about this, I 'fu**ing' loathe what the EU has become, but 'call me Dave' is being realistic, I'm not happy but he still gets my vote...
 
#12
I have never considered that the Conservatives had the next election in the bag.
Too many owe their well paid Non Jobs to Labour and so many would not vote anything but Labour, where I come from for instance, North West England.
Cammeroon has quite literally shot himself in the foot and boosted the UKIP, who should do more damage then the 30 seats they claim they cost last election.
john
 
#13
Yep! A referendum could still be held to establish a definite mandate to put the spanner in the works of the EU to get what we want and to stop sovereign powers being surrendered to the Brussels Cabal. A federalist EU is about one click away from my worst dream of a Stalinist state.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
#14
Cammeroon has quite literally shot himself in the foot and boosted the UKIP, who should do more damage then the 30 seats they claim they cost last election.
And therein lies the problem. UKIP has polled anything up to 20% in local by elections. I can't see their support decreasing in any way....

Back benchers and the grassroots want more to be done, but he realistically can't.

He's made a huge mistake I feel, even a supposedly pointless referendum would have assuaged many a eurosceptic voter. It would also give him a real democratic mandate to go at Europe and demand, at the least, some of our money back seeing as though we're skint. Lord Tebbit has been calling for just such a referendum.

Instead he looks little shy of Brown's promised but never delivered referendum. If Europe is the main issue, and it is for many voters, then there is effectively only one opposition party now.

Hannan's next move will be interesting....
 
#15
Guys, Guys, Guys. You are missing the point.

This General Election is not about Conservatives, Labour, LibDem, Greens, BNP, others etc.

This election is about BRITISH DEMOCRACY, BRITISH FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE from the UNELECTED EU COMMISSION, who, without being voted for or against, have TAKEN POWER OF ALL OF EUROPE. the FRANCO-GERMAN Alliance now rule EU.

This next BRITISH GENERAL ELECTION is about the future of we being BRITISH or under European total dominance over OUR BRITISH WAY OF LIFE and OUR COUNTRY.

Only UKIP offer a way out. I was a Conservative for 30 years. Now i vote UKIP.

They are not a small party as professed by pro-eu ****titions.

UKIP came second in the last elections, they are a nationwide party, they are the only party who will take us out of the EU Commission control. Trade with EU, friends with the EU, but not controlled by them.

Make this election BRITAIN'S INDEPENDENCE DAY! vote UKIP stand up for YOUR COUNTRY!


HOW DARE any political party have the audacity to hand my personal freedoms and my democratic rights and free will, my BRITISH BIRTHRIGHTS and subject ME to an UNELECTED EU COMMISSION aginst MY FREE WILL!

HOW DARE YOU!!!

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO REMAIN FREE BRITISH WILL VOTE FOR UKIP that includes all of the silent majority of people who don't bother to vote. If you want to remain BRITISH and ruled by BRITISH electorate's DEMOCRATICALLY elected BRITISH MP's making BRITISH laws in a BRITISH parliament and representing BRITISH interetsts on the world stage, has to go and vote for UKIP in this General Election to remain BRITISH. after that you can go back to exercising your right not to vote, but at least you can excerise that right as free and BRITISH.

Vote - for BRITISH INDEPENDENCE DAY - vote UKIP

There is NO ALTERNATIVE NOW!
 
#16
Not only do Cameron's "cast-iron" guarantees prove to be worthless, he also tells BIG PORKIE-PIES about we not being able to remove ourselves from EU Commission control:

From the British National Archives:

Legal advice to H Wilson then;

THE LORD PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL, invited to reply to the
discussion, said it was clear that Parliament could not divest itself
ultimately of its sovereignty and was in a position to bring the United
Kingdom out of the Community at any time by repealing the European
Communities Act 1972.

British National Archive Catalogue Reference:CAB/128/56/14

UKIP is the only party that offers a referendum on the complete unelected EU Commission question.

Using the above archived instrument, we can, at a stroke, remove ourselves from the auspices and control of the UNELECTED and fraudulent EU Commission.

We could remain British!

Vote UKIP
a non racist, non sectarian, libertarian center-ground Party

http://www.greateudebate.com/

quote:

"If you traded something, made something, sold something, ran something, policed something, protected something, transported something, communicated something, fished something, grew something, stored something, repaired something, bought something, spent something, exchanged something, taught something, learned something, powered something, healed something, published something, researched something, reported something, supported something, Brussels had a say in it.

The EU was everywhere.

Now, ten years on, things are very different...

Britain has been a member of the European Union for a third of a century, enduring all the waste, fraud and red tape that Brussels could imagine.

But what would it be like if one day Britain just said 'Enough'?

Ten Years On takes us to a world where they have done just that. Dr Lee Rotherham's new book imagines a future where Britain is free to control its own affairs, to strike its own deals and to decide its own fate".



your vote, you choose
BRITAIN or Unelected EU Commission

this is serious now guys, LOOK what's happening to OUR country that we PROTECT! OUR HOME!

Plus:- UKIP defense policy is an increase of 40% in defence spending where tories are going to cut public spending on defense as are LimpDims. Labour,well, we are living lanour now! enough said!
 
#17
scoobish said:
Lots of !!!!!
RanDOM CAPITalisatioN
Vote for MEEEEEE!!!!!!
Look at the forum stickies. Do you see that one titled 'STANDARDS- THIS AFFECTS YOU AND ARRSE'? Click it and read point 1.
To save time, here it is:
"Current Affairs is primarily for the serious discussion of military-political topics and other matters which may affect us as members of the armed forces.

It isn't for:

1. Political point scoring"

Why should I, or anyone else on here vote for a party that can't abide by simple rules?
Especially a party containing people that write like an eight year old child with ADHD that has just downed three crates of Red Bull. The Daily Express has higher literary standards than you've just achieved. So does the Daily Sport.

I'll vote for someone with a modicum of intelligence, if you don't mind. Churchill you are not.
 
#18
ottar said:
scoobish said:
Lots of !!!!!
RanDOM CAPITalisatioN
Vote for MEEEEEE!!!!!!
Look at the forum stickies. Do you see that one titled 'STANDARDS- THIS AFFECTS YOU AND ARRSE'? Click it and read point 1.
To save time, here it is:
"Current Affairs is primarily for the serious discussion of military-political topics and other matters which may affect us as members of the armed forces.

It isn't for:

1. Political point scoring"

Why should I, or anyone else on here vote for a party that can't abide by simple rules?
Especially a party containing people that write like an eight year old child with ADHD that has just downed three crates of Red Bull. The Daily Express has higher literary standards than you've just achieved. So does the Daily Sport.

I'll vote for someone with a modicum of intelligence, if you don't mind. Churchill you are not.
absolutely!
Vote for who you want to, that's your democractic right!
The choice is
Britain or unelected EU Commission was my point.
You choose, it is your right. choice= Britain or the unelected Commission with any other party. so, don't vote UKIP... that leaves an EU Commission party, but, it is your choice, your democratic right to choose a pro-EU Commission, anti-British party..
Your vote
Your choice
you have that right! because you have the intelligence not to see UKIP for Britain or Lib/Lab/Con/Greens for the unelected Commission...
very intelligent arguement you make
 
#19
ottar said:
scoobish said:
Lots of !!!!!
RanDOM CAPITalisatioN
Vote for MEEEEEE!!!!!!

"Current Affairs is primarily for the serious discussion of military-political topics and other matters which may affect us as members of the armed forces.

quote]

so 40% increase in defence spending doesn't affect us? Labour cuts do, Conservative cuts will
40% increase is like 4/10ths, like,just less than half again on top of what it is now...

How will that not DIRECTLY affect us?
prey do tell oh jedi master
 

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