Tory Leadership Round Three

Who goes through to round 4?

  • Gove

    Votes: 42 38.2%
  • Hunt

    Votes: 54 49.1%
  • Javid

    Votes: 6 5.5%
  • Johnson

    Votes: 101 91.8%
  • Stewart

    Votes: 37 33.6%

  • Total voters
    110
  • Poll closed .
Many MPs are supporting Johnson only because they believe he is best placed to win an election and allow them to remain MPs

If he wins and May resigns as PM; expect much filibustering, indicative votes, Bercow tricks to prevent UK leaving EU on Oct 31
or
EU will remove NI issues and Johnson will wave piece of paper and approve May's Surrender Treaty - imo this is EU plan, NI always a red-herring to distract from the Surrender Treaty's vassal state evils

If Johnson really wants a 31 October "no deal" leave, he should prorogue Parliament the day he becomes PM.

Raab removed for being too honest - prorogue Parliament?

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Re: Channel 4 Conservative Party leadership debate

[url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7152021/Now-changing-rules-disability-Blue-Badges-need-Larry-David.html]Littlejohn:
Didn’t bother watching the Tory tub of lard debate on Channel 4 with the repulsive, Leftie snob Krishnan Guru-wossname, who once refused to shake hands with a friend of mine — a brilliant journalist, far more accomplished than this posturing third-rate Jon Snow wannabe — because he was suspected of liking Mrs Thatcher.

Why did former Brexiteer Gove and the rest of them go along with it?
Reviews:

"Channel 4 managed to generate a banality circus on Sunday night with the five also-rans in the Conservative Party leadership contest. The absolutely decisive issue, of who governs Britain, was not raised by presenter Krishnan Guru-Murthy. That is to say, the issue of Parliament being sovereign over a nation state called Great Britain as against an economic bloc with all-encompassing regulatory powers, continuing to accrue to itself more and more governance and so, in effect, displacing Parliament’s sovereignty. That is the core issue of Brexit, and it was not placed on the table at all.

We did have a faux righteous bluster by Hunt, Gove, Stewart and Javid expressing outrage at the prospect held out by Raab as a last resort, of proroguing Parliament if it were paralysed from leaving as it had legislated to do. Oh no, that would be deeply undemocratic, said the four thinly veiled Remainers, it would offend Parliamentary sovereignty.

Again, the blindingly obvious point was not made by the presenter nor any of the MPs on show, that Mrs May’s BRINO, her Withdrawal Agreement and Politicial Declaration, is a long proroguing of Parliamentary sovereignty, two years and probably far longer, under the jurisdiction of the ECJ, under the economic control of the Joint Committee as specified in the WA, under EU laws with no veto and not repealable, entailing the loss of the fisheries rather than their return as Gove promised – at one time. But proroguing Parliament in order to regain Parliamentary sovereignty, oh dear no.

Is this sheer ignorance of the Withdrawal Agreement and the Political Declaration? Is this obfuscation and cover-up? Or is it intellectual incompetence or laziness? The fab four were being utterly disingenuous in speaking up for Parliamentary sovereignty when they are planning to hand it over under the WA/PD for years. Raab surely should have made this point, but did not. He needs to bring his copy of both to the next instalment of ‘Channel 4 baits Brexit’ and quote it extensively. And if he does not know its full horror, then he must urgently read Caroline Bell’s ‘The Seven Deadly Sins of the WA’ and Martin Howe QC’s recent list of the features contained in the WA which are detrimental to the UK and which would make ‘Brexit’ illusory.
...
How wise of Johnson to avoid its descent to the level of sixth-form derision and emotivism. I am not sure he has been wise to accept the invitation to the BBC lions’ den tonight. If he can insistently speak of democracy, national sovereignty, Parliament being the supreme law maker, our judiciary not the ECJ being our legal bedrock, he will do well, but the BBC is an artful foe and will do all it can to stop the real agenda surfacing as did Channel 4.

I would like the topic of ‘how will the Joint Committee govern Britain under the WA/PD regime?’ force its way on to the BBC agenda. I would like to hear the MPs discuss the UK’s right to appeal to The Hague International Court against any WA/PD affronts to justice in the UK and in respect of the legitimacy and size of the £39bn exit fee.

But no: I fear none of the truly major issues will be discussed, just as with the Channel 4 debate – only the banalities of vanity signalling and personal advancement.

This leadership election is about Brexit versus Brino and that is what any contender should be challenged on if they are claiming they can ‘deliver’ Brexit. If we get from them May’s Brino then we get serfdom and the issue is how that will impact on British lives until we yield sufficiently to EU terms to be granted ‘a deal’ in two years or longer away. How will the nation cope with the outrage and acrimony when the public discovers the humiliating rule by an unelected group of EU apparachiks who desire only to extract what they can from us, with our Parliament there for show only?
"

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I was unsurprised at The Guru, I was surprised by how unstatesmanlike these competitors looked. They had been in hustings and studios all week, supposedly perfecting their messages; they had received days of notice to prepare for this debate, but most looked awkward and flustered. They waffled, danced and spun. They mostly fulfilled our stereotype of the politician...[/url]

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I don't trust MPs
 
Emily is letting Stewart talk without interruption - totally opposite to her treatment of Boris.
Another obvious anti-Boris BBC plant - Mr Muslim from Bristol. I wondered when they’d deploy the ‘letterbox’ weapon! Bloody blatant and tedious.
 
Many MPs are supporting Johnson only because they believe he is best placed to win an election and allow them to remain MPs

If he wins and May resigns as PM; expect much filibustering, indicative votes, Bercow tricks to prevent UK leaving EU on Oct 31
or
EU will remove NI issues and Johnson will wave piece of paper and approve May's Surrender Treaty - imo this is EU plan, NI always a red-herring to distract from the Surrender Treaty's vassal state evils

If Johnson really wants a 31 October "no deal" leave, he should prorogue Parliament the day he becomes PM.

Raab removed for being too honest - prorogue Parliament?

.
Re: Channel 4 Conservative Party leadership debate

[url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7152021/Now-changing-rules-disability-Blue-Badges-need-Larry-David.html]Littlejohn:


Reviews:

"Channel 4 managed to generate a banality circus on Sunday night with the five also-rans in the Conservative Party leadership contest. The absolutely decisive issue, of who governs Britain, was not raised by presenter Krishnan Guru-Murthy. That is to say, the issue of Parliament being sovereign over a nation state called Great Britain as against an economic bloc with all-encompassing regulatory powers, continuing to accrue to itself more and more governance and so, in effect, displacing Parliament’s sovereignty. That is the core issue of Brexit, and it was not placed on the table at all.

We did have a faux righteous bluster by Hunt, Gove, Stewart and Javid expressing outrage at the prospect held out by Raab as a last resort, of proroguing Parliament if it were paralysed from leaving as it had legislated to do. Oh no, that would be deeply undemocratic, said the four thinly veiled Remainers, it would offend Parliamentary sovereignty.

Again, the blindingly obvious point was not made by the presenter nor any of the MPs on show, that Mrs May’s BRINO, her Withdrawal Agreement and Politicial Declaration, is a long proroguing of Parliamentary sovereignty, two years and probably far longer, under the jurisdiction of the ECJ, under the economic control of the Joint Committee as specified in the WA, under EU laws with no veto and not repealable, entailing the loss of the fisheries rather than their return as Gove promised – at one time. But proroguing Parliament in order to regain Parliamentary sovereignty, oh dear no.

Is this sheer ignorance of the Withdrawal Agreement and the Political Declaration? Is this obfuscation and cover-up? Or is it intellectual incompetence or laziness? The fab four were being utterly disingenuous in speaking up for Parliamentary sovereignty when they are planning to hand it over under the WA/PD for years. Raab surely should have made this point, but did not. He needs to bring his copy of both to the next instalment of ‘Channel 4 baits Brexit’ and quote it extensively. And if he does not know its full horror, then he must urgently read Caroline Bell’s ‘The Seven Deadly Sins of the WA’ and Martin Howe QC’s recent list of the features contained in the WA which are detrimental to the UK and which would make ‘Brexit’ illusory.
...
How wise of Johnson to avoid its descent to the level of sixth-form derision and emotivism. I am not sure he has been wise to accept the invitation to the BBC lions’ den tonight. If he can insistently speak of democracy, national sovereignty, Parliament being the supreme law maker, our judiciary not the ECJ being our legal bedrock, he will do well, but the BBC is an artful foe and will do all it can to stop the real agenda surfacing as did Channel 4.

I would like the topic of ‘how will the Joint Committee govern Britain under the WA/PD regime?’ force its way on to the BBC agenda. I would like to hear the MPs discuss the UK’s right to appeal to The Hague International Court against any WA/PD affronts to justice in the UK and in respect of the legitimacy and size of the £39bn exit fee.

But no: I fear none of the truly major issues will be discussed, just as with the Channel 4 debate – only the banalities of vanity signalling and personal advancement.

This leadership election is about Brexit versus Brino and that is what any contender should be challenged on if they are claiming they can ‘deliver’ Brexit. If we get from them May’s Brino then we get serfdom and the issue is how that will impact on British lives until we yield sufficiently to EU terms to be granted ‘a deal’ in two years or longer away. How will the nation cope with the outrage and acrimony when the public discovers the humiliating rule by an unelected group of EU apparachiks who desire only to extract what they can from us, with our Parliament there for show only?
"

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I was unsurprised at The Guru, I was surprised by how unstatesmanlike these competitors looked. They had been in hustings and studios all week, supposedly perfecting their messages; they had received days of notice to prepare for this debate, but most looked awkward and flustered. They waffled, danced and spun. They mostly fulfilled our stereotype of the politician...[/url]

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I don't trust MPs
That was a hell of a "Cut and Paste" ?! ;) .
 
Watching the BBC debate, and as mentioned earlier, Maitlis is all over Boris like a rash, she invites him to speak and then talks over him.
Same as Question Time then where Bruce interrupts and talks over any Tory or Leaver, but allows others to ramble on interminably
 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
Emily is letting Stewart talk without interruption - totally opposite to her treatment of Boris.
Another obvious anti-Boris BBC plant - Mr Muslim from Bristol. I wondered when they’d deploy the ‘letterbox’ weapon! Bloody blatant and tedious.
Now some 15yo Sweaty burbling about the environment.
 
The "Referee" seems to be telling Boris of things he said in the past, but lets others crack on. Another indicator of BBC bias? :cool:
 
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Now some 15yo Sweaty burbling about the environment.
This lot won’t be satisfied until we are all living in caves in a permanent state of darkness.
Has anyone let China, India, South Korea and the Spams in on their cunning plan to save the Polar Bears?
 
The layout of the studio is really naff - EM should be alongside the big screen so that all the candidates can be more or less square on to the questioner and the compere/inquisitrix.

Instead she is standing and the others sitting (on ungainly and unsafe chairs IMO), Boris is outside her eye-line (not that she wantsa to hear from him) and poor littlie Rod Stewart is doing his Peter Glaze double-take act to attempt to get his specious arguments across.

Poor, BBC !. Very, very poor.

I wonder how there funding will change in coming years ?
 
Emily is letting Stewart talk without interruption - totally opposite to her treatment of Boris.
Another obvious anti-Boris BBC plant - Mr Muslim from Bristol. I wondered when they’d deploy the ‘letterbox’ weapon! Bloody blatant and tedious.
Do you have any teeth left?
 
The layout of the studio is really naff - EM should be alongside the big screen so that all the candidates can be more or less square on to the questioner and the compere/inquisitrix.

Instead she is standing and the others sitting (on ungainly and unsafe chairs IMO), Boris is outside her eye-line (not that she wantsa to hear from him) and poor littlie Rod Stewart is doing his Peter Glaze double-take act to attempt to get his specious arguments across.

Poor, BBC !. Very, very poor.

I wonder how there funding will change in coming years ?
EM is there? Jebus......no wonder it's going wrong.
 
I'm surprised they didn't 'randomly select' Boris's ex to ask "Is Boris a shit?'. 'Excellent question, so Rory, what do you think, is Boris a shit?'
 
I reckon that Worwy's support should take a nosedive after this. Gove actually came over best of all. Javid was a nonentity. Hunt was boring. Boris was OK when he got a word in edgeways - kept his cool and didn't drop a boll*ck.

That Maitliss woman was the worst - her bias was so blatant and the BBC agenda was clear for all to see.

All in all - a very disappointing show.
 

no f in beer

Old-Salt
The debate, for want of a better word, is irrelevant. All the real business ahead of tomorrows vote is taking place in backroooms of parliament, as enough cabinet jobs are offered to cover the next 50 years.
 
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