Tory Leadership Round Four

Who goes through to the next round?

  • Gove

    Votes: 40 36.4%
  • Hunt

    Votes: 73 66.4%
  • Javid

    Votes: 7 6.4%
  • Johnson

    Votes: 107 97.3%

  • Total voters
    110
  • Poll closed .
The AV system would gaurantee you the 3 years of stalemate we are currently all suffering through - if the current polls were replicated in parliament we would essentially have 4 parties with very similar no's of MPs. So that means that 4 teams of massive egos will all stop each other from doing anything - it is a misconception that they would all have to work together because idiology gets in the way so the 4 parties would essentially split into 2 groups Cons and BP and Labour/Dems and essentially you would be back to the current system. The best solution is boundary change to ensure all MPs cover the same amount of constituents and this will even out the current disparity - only then will you as an individual voter get the chance of proper and fair political representation
Rubbish.
What's been going on since 2016 is unique & caused by a single issue.
Boundary changes do bugger-all to make individual constituencies any more representative, whereas 1st AV guarantees at least 50% of those who can be arrsed to vote have some real say in who becomes their MP.
Using your argument, the present system could well ensure an MP represents less than 25% of those bothering to vote.
FPTP is a shit system & brought about the very thing you're complaining about, whilst being far more unrepresentative.
 
Bunch of hippies trying to stop Boris getting to Buck House. Dealt with quite effectively by the police. Possibly not the best way to get on a new Prime Ministers good side.
 

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Boris in with HMQ and will appear as PM.

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Rubbish.
What's been going on since 2016 is unique & caused by a single issue.
Boundary changes do bugger-all to make individual constituencies any more representative, whereas 1st AV guarantees at least 50% of those who can be arrsed to vote have some real say in who becomes their MP.
Using your argument, the present system could well ensure an MP represents less than 25% of those bothering to vote.
FPTP is a shit system & brought about the very thing you're complaining about, whilst being far more unrepresentative.
Neither view is rubbish, TBH. FPTP gives cleaner governance but, as you say Oddbod, is less representative. AV is more representative, but more prone to logjams as Headgear notes. You pays your money and takes your choice.

I would hazard, based on the chaos that has been BREXIT and the compromises that dogged the Coalition, that the British are just too bloody minded, uncompromising and frankly, honest, to make AV work properly...
 
By 'eck, Boris' cabinet is shaping up to be a good un.
Looks like he's serious about ensuring pro Brexit types are in all the senior positions & he didn't back down to Hunt's demand for one of the top places.
 
I agree this isn’t great - both the fact that he made those comments and that we get a PM we didn’t vote for...

...but then that’s not our system. We vote for a party and that party decides who will be in charge. At least with the Conservatives they have the ability to quickly cut out from under a leader they think is likely to jeopardise them and regroup under another. With Labour it’s quite the different story.

I can see why a lot of people are unhappy that 92,000 people just decided who will be charge of over 65,000,000 people, but it’s just another aspect of our system that isn’t particularly fair and we have to live with. Personally I think there should be a GE when we get a new PM, but I also recognise that could cause as many problems as it solves.
There was nothing stopping the entire electorate paying their £25 to become members of the Conservatives and having a say . A lot of us on here and elsewhere bit out tongues , joined the Labour party and voted Corbyn in , after all .
 

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we get a PM we didn’t vote for...
You never vote for a person - you vote for a party! When you went to the Ballot box at the general elections - you chose to tick a box - Conservative/Labour/Limp Dems...... etc.

You get the party you voted for - and the party leader is selected by the party members. Nothings changed in that regard - get over it!
 
You never vote for a person - you vote for a party! When you went to the Ballot box at the general elections - you chose to tick a box - Conservative/Labour/Limp Dems...... etc.

You get the party you voted for - and the party leader is selected by the party members. Nothings changed in that regard - get over it!
Wrong.
You vote for one of the candidates whose names are on the ballot, not their party, which is why MPs can jump from one party to another, or none at all without initiating a by-election.
 

mrdude

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Wrong.
You vote for one of the candidates whose names are on the ballot, not their party, which is why MPs can jump from one party to another, or none at all without initiating a by-election.
Semantics dude, when you go to the General Elections - do you think when you vote for Wee Jeannie Smith or whoever - that person is going to run the country - or do you think the party they represent is going to run the country? You're not sitting at home going: "come on wee Jeannie - you can do it!", you saying to yourself - come on the conservative party - show those lefty twats who's boss!
 
Semantics dude, when you go to the General Elections - do you think when you vote for Wee Jeannie Smith or whoever - that person is going to run the country - or do you think the party they represent is going to run the country? You're not sitting at home going: "come on wee Jeannie - you can do it!", you saying to yourself - come on the conservative party - show those lefty twats who's boss!
Unfortunately for you Oddbod is quite correct:
Wrong.
You vote for one of the candidates whose names are on the ballot, not their party, which is why MPs can jump from one party to another, or none at all without initiating a by-election.
The UK system means that you vote for the person as your representative, not as a mouthpiece for a political party.
 
Semantics dude, when you go to the General Elections - do you think when you vote for Wee Jeannie Smith or whoever - that person is going to run the country - or do you think the party they represent is going to run the country? You're not sitting at home going: "come on wee Jeannie - you can do it!", you saying to yourself - come on the conservative party - show those lefty twats who's boss!
Not semantics; fact.
If you're dim enough to mindlessly vote along party lines, then you're part of the problem.
 
Unfortunately for you Oddbod is quite correct:
The UK system means that you vote for the person as your representative, not as a mouthpiece for a political party.
Up until the early 70s IIRC, the candidate's party did not appear on the ballot paper, just their name.
 
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