Tories to encourage murder by rapists and robbers.

#2
I heard a lot about this in Saudi, how many south asian house servants have been raped god only knows. Many of them end up pregnant, get offed, shallow graves in the desert and plod informed that they have "run away". And that is in a country where a Saudi man is very unlikely to be found guilty of raping kuffar women FFS.
 
#3
I heard a lot about this in Saudi, how many south asian house servants have been raped god only knows. Many of them end up pregnant, get offed, shallow graves in the desert and plod informed that they have "run away". And that is in a country where a Saudi man is very unlikely to be found guilty of raping kuffar women FFS.
I must have missed the bit where Englandshire was teleported to the Middle East.
 
#5
Will this be pursued with the same vigour as carrying a knife illegally? I can see the hardened criminals quaking in their boots.

Remind me how long Learco Chindamo did for murder? Oh yes FIVE years, so I can't see much to stop villains offing witnesses now.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#6
BBC News - 'Two strikes' life sentences plan for serious sex and violent crimes

So, if you're a serial Rapist or violent robber who is facing life, why not reduce the risk of you being convicted by simply killing our victim, who will hen struggle to give evidence against you, or even report the crime?
Yeah right - society would be much better off if there were no sanctions whatsoever on the nasty men if they decide to rob, rape and murder, as the threat of prison is clearly what drives violent crime.
 
#7
Its been done before with the 3 strikes rule. It didn't last long. Then came IPP sentences, which have been largely repealed except for scheduled offences of a serious nature. Since IPP sentences work the same as a lifer (in as much so as fitness to release anyway) what is the point of this? There is already provision for extended licence requirements upon release.

Life sentences slapped around willy nilly will cost the taxpayer dearly in appeals.
 
#8
BBC News - 'Two strikes' life sentences plan for serious sex and violent crimes

So, if you're a serial Rapist or violent robber who is facing life, why not reduce the risk of you being convicted by simply killing our victim, who will hen struggle to give evidence against you, or even report the crime?
Given how difficult it is to get a conviction for rape, I'd have thought there's more chance of being caught and convicted for murdering the victim than you are for raping her.
 
#10
Given how difficult it is to get a conviction for rape, I'd have thought there's more chance of being caught and convicted for murdering the victim than you are for raping her.
How does a dead rape victim who has been fed through a woodchipper complain about rape?

PS - no harm in killing her, the sentence will be the same.. which seems to have escaped you...
 
#11
Yeah right - society would be much better off if there were no sanctions whatsoever on the nasty men if they decide to rob, rape and murder, as the threat of prison is clearly what drives violent crime.
You may have missed my point, but only totally.
 
#13
BBC News - 'Two strikes' life sentences plan for serious sex and violent crimes

So, if you're a serial Rapist or violent robber who is facing life, why not reduce the risk of you being convicted by simply killing our victim, who will hen struggle to give evidence against you, or even report the crime?
Calm down, dear. It's just a commercial.:roll:

It looks good in the newspapers and makes the true believers cum, but there is very little chance of it being implemented in the Real World. HMP are at bursting point as it is and there's not a snowball's chance in Hell the government's going to shell out to build any new ones. So unless we not only reintroduce the Death Penalty but apply it retrospectively(not a bad idea but unfortunately it will never happen:twisted:)there's not going to be enough places for all the serial rapists/killers of your fevered imaginings.

"Two Strikes and You're Out" will be quietly kicked into touch by the politicians, judges and lawyers. And since the average voter's attention span doesn't last much longer than an episode of BGT, not many people will care.
 

jarrod248

LE
Gallery Guru
#14
Calm down, dear. It's just a commercial.:roll:

It looks good in the newspapers and makes the true believers cum, but there is very little chance of it being implemented in the Real World. HMP are at bursting point as it is and there's not a snowball's chance in Hell the government's going to shell out to build any new ones. So unless we not only reintroduce the Death Penalty but apply it retrospectively(not a bad idea but unfortunately it will never happen:twisted:)there's not going to be enough places for all the serial rapists/killers of your fevered imaginings.

"Two Strikes and You're Out" will be quietly kicked into touch by the politicians, judges and lawyers. And since the average voter's attention span doesn't last much longer than an episode of BGT, not many people will care.
Prisons have been at high capacity for years. It's not hard to increase prison places, stick to what you know about.
 

DieHard

LE
Book Reviewer
#15
In the report he says everyone deserves a second chance. Is he implying you can do it once but not again?.
As jarrod says the prisons have been full since they were built, there is always room for more, single cells can easily be made into double ones, id the offender doesn't like it then tough, they shouldn't of been a naughty boy in the first place.
If the courts and the namby pamby judges got the sentencing correct first time around then there shouldn't be a need for 2 strikes.
Id you commit embesselment the penalty is quite harsh, I have come across a guy who fiddled his vat and tax and got 4 years for his crime, on the same wing were people in for aggravated burglary.. rape, and causing death from dangerous or drunk driving, all of whom were doing an equivalent or shorter sentence.
Get the priorities right and give the maximum sentence first time and the problem would be solved
 
#16
I heard a lot about this in Saudi, how many south asian house servants have been raped god only knows. Many of them end up pregnant, get offed, shallow graves in the desert and plod informed that they have "run away". And that is in a country where a Saudi man is very unlikely to be found guilty of raping kuffar women FFS.
You need the "honest" men to witness the crime and testify , three I think. Of course there is only one religon the independant witnesses can be.
 
#18
2 Strikes wont be kicked into touch, its already here in the guise of ipp and extended licence.

Just political noise to gather confidence/votes. Move along now, nothing to see here.
 
#19
I can understand harsh sentences for crimes of greed where there's some prospect of a deterrence factor. Violence, sexual violence surely has more to do with individual's personality and society's intervention should be open ended. Two strikes sounds like bad justice to appease the unthinking masses; I would be happier with one strike, if it was about management and intervention rather than vengeance & punishment.
 
#20
How does a dead rape victim who has been fed through a woodchipper complain about rape?

PS - no harm in killing her, the sentence will be the same.. which seems to have escaped you...
A woodchipper, of course, is one of the main things that all rapists drag round with them.

If it was so easy to avoid a murder charge then why doesn't every murderer already have a woodchipper?

PS - you can already get a life sentence for rape Trigger.
 

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