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Discussion in 'Professionally Qualified, RAMC and QARANC' started by cunning_stunt, Oct 26, 2008.

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  1. Is anyine going to this roadshow on Tue? I have come on leave without the JI's and I can't remember what time it starts. Any help gratefully received!!
  2. Can't help specifically, CS, one of my seniors went to the gig at RAF Halton for me and his back-brief was that I had wasted half a day of his life!

    However, assuming you make it, I'd be interested to hear your and others thoughts about this.

    As my username suggests, I'm fairly chilled about bipartisan/tripartisan/purple working, just so long as no one party is shafted by the others.

    There will be a natural tendency for the Army to dominate, purely from a numerical POV, but in my view it would be folly to assume 'Army knows best' just because they have the most people.

    I was very encouraged recently by some high level Army input to my own little clinical rock-pool that seemed to indicate they would look for the best practice - irrespective of it's Service of origin - and adopt that across the piece. If that sort of philosophy is the cornerstone of future working, I think we'll be OK.

    However, if the Pongos just see this as a golden opportunity for some matelot- and crab-bashing, there will be much unpleasantness.

    Keep us posted ;-)
  3. But surely by being of greater numbers that gives us a bigger pool of experience to draw from? Also the majority of Medical assets in any given theatre are LAND based are they not?
  4. So, Tony, if the Army have been doing it wrong for years, we in the light and dark blue should now be forced to also do it wrong?

    What's up with taking best practice from wherever it may be found?

    Size is no guarantee of strength, you know, and certainly not of intellect.:)

    My primary operational role is aeromed, not cowering in a muddy/breeze-block hole in the ground waiting for the next mortar round to come in. that's why I'm in the RAF, not the Army. See how it works?
  5. You’re assuming that the Army will be wrong and that you are right. The Army has formed expeditionary Medical Support for years. As one of your own commented the other day, were it not for the medics on the ground (see muddy breeze-black hole) there would be no casualties for you to fly.

    I agree that we should indeed work together and I look forward to a Joint Medical Services. But as you are so quick to dismiss CAPABLE Army Paramedics from your environment can you really expect no hostility from LAND components?
  6. I don't believe I've said anything negative at all at any point about Army Paramedics. :roll:

    If you're an Army paramedic and so precious about your position that you interpret everything as being negative about you, perhaps you need to come and see me professionally? :wink:

    The clinical rock-pool I crawl around in is psychiatry. I care not a jot what paramedics do, nor which uniform they wear, so long as they do a good job.

    FYI, Army has been identified as the lead Service for mental health and, as I noted in my earlier post, there are encouraging noises from senior pongo types about stealing good ideas from us crabs.

    My central thesis was framed precisely because there are those who will ASSUME the Army must be right, as a result of critical mass arguments and so forth, but as we all know, when you ASSUME something you make an ASS of U and ME :lol:

    Provided that we make no such assumptions - irrespective of clinical speciality - and adopt the best practices regardless of Service of origin, we'll get along famously.
  7. Perhaps the best way to approach this and many other problems is to look at all models and then look to create a hybrid model which will work, all be it with special to arms adaptation. For instance Army and RAF priorities will assume a speed in the evacuation chain, RN may not have that capability; a sub may have to stay submerged for a considerable length of time.
    It appears to me that each Service seems to approach tri-service co-operation in the same way: I'm not going to let them screw me over just because they're (fill in service). There has to be pride in the uniform that is worn but that doesn't mean that any given service should not be open to another services way of doing things, particularly if they can be easily adapted to specific needs of each service.
    If a system is efficient, achieves its aim and is easily adaptable to local circumstances then we would be foolish to discard it even if it came from an enemy medical service, let alone one of our own!

    Surely the main question is does it work, not who thought of it.
  8. Cant say fairer than that. Kc i was using the Paramedic argument as an example of how light blue can be pig headed too.
  9. are we not all the same side at the end of the doesn't matter who does the best long as the job is done to its best.

    medders out
  10. Absolutely, THE most important person in all this being the injured service person.
  11. :D Good one
  12. All very erudite, no chance of a start time though?
  13. Sorry, afraid not.
  14. 0930 – 1000: Registration/Coffee

    1000 – 1030: Presentation

    1030 onwards: Q&A.
  15. How did it go?