Together we can reclaim the streets

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Together we can reclaim the streets
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Never mind Spiderman. Forget Harry Potter and his struggle against Voldemort. I'll tell you my hero of the hour.

He's a 68-year-old Liberal Democrat peer called Lord Phillips of Sudbury in the County of Suffolk, and last week he struck such a blow for freedom and common sense that, if there were any justice, the people of Sudbury would now be organising a subscription to erect his statue in the market place. Because it was in that very market place that Lord Phillips of Sudbury faced a moral dilemma, of a kind that many of us face - without acknowledging it - every day.

In an instant, he decided to defy modern correct thinking. He set an example for us all. He did the right thing. He found three 10-year-old boys cycling on the pavement, and realised their behaviour was dangerous and anti-social, since the precinct was then thronged with young mothers and their push-chairs.

He showed the first signs of heroism by having the guts to tick them off. "I just stopped and told these lads, 'Look you can't cycle here. You must dismount.' " Alas, he was met for his pains with a salvo of abuse. The 10-year-olds shrieked at the noble lord, who has been married since 1968 and who has three children. They called him a "pervert, a poofter and a paedo".

In the old days, there would have been some sort of instant penalty for children who were vilely abusive, in public, to a distinguished figure such as Lord Phillips. When some boys were rude to the Prophet Elisha, saying, "Go down, thou bald head", God sent some bears to eat them up.

But these days, children know there is very little to stop them behaving foully, and so Lord Phillips decided to bite his tongue, and went into Boots to continue his shopping, propping up his own bicycle on the way in.

At which point one of the children - still scandalised at being reprimanded by an adult - kicked the bike over; and it was then, as he emerged from the shop to see his bike clattering to the ground, and the children scarpering, that Lord Phillips faced his dilemma.

All the street wisdom of modern Britain says that you avoid meeting their eyes, pick up your bike, pretend not to care, and cycle off in the opposite direction. You don't know what those kids have got in the pockets of those hoodies. It might be a knife to yerk you beneath the breastbone.

It might even be a gun. Most of us would decide in a flash that it was not worth finding out, and to leave the brutishness uncorrected. Lord Phillips is made of sterner stuff. He gave chase; he caught the child; he grabbed his sweater; and of course he didn't cuff him or clip him round the ear, or administer any form of early-20th-century chastisement, since he is a humane sort of fellow.

He asked a passer-by to call the police, saying to the child: "If you think you can behave like this, you are dead wrong." To which, the boy replied, with a chilling grasp of the changed relationship between children and adults: "I am going to have you for holding me."

And when the police arrived, whose side do you think they were on? They didn't even tick off the boys, but warned Lord Phillips that he was wrong to try to exercise any authority himself. As a police spokeswoman said: "Members of the public should always have a regard for their own personal safety and our advice is to call the police immediately." And that makes my blood boil.

It seems that, if any adult wants to dispute the right of young thugs to misbehave, then not only does he or she do so at considerable personal risk, but with the express disapproval of the forces of law and order.
Common sense from Boris (nothing to do with the fact he's considering running for Mayor of London :D )
 

Bouillabaisse

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"And when the police arrived, whose side do you think they were on? They didn't even tick off the boys, but warned Lord Phillips that he was wrong to try to exercise any authority himself. As a police spokeswoman said: "Members of the public should always have a regard for their own personal safety and our advice is to call the police immediately."

Of course, the police would rush out to deal with a group of children like this. If Lord Phillips had called the police a civilian worker would have given him a reference number "for insurance purposes" and that would be it.
 
#4
Sums up the shambles Bliar, aided and abetted by Brown, has led this country to. Sums up the sorry state Bliar, aided and abetted by Brown, has reduced the police to.

Tough on crime; tough on the causes of crime.

One of many worthless, hollow, deceptive statements made by the discredited and fatuous little spiv Bliar.

The other:

Education; education; education.
 
#6
Come on chaps, be fair. Brown has his finger on the pulse. He was able to send congratulations to an athlete who won a race within hours of the finish. (It was on this morning's news)
Someone also told him that they think the army are doing something somewhere but that's not really important.
 
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Bouillabaisse said:
"And when the police arrived, whose side do you think they were on? They didn't even tick off the boys, but warned Lord Phillips that he was wrong to try to exercise any authority himself. As a police spokeswoman said: "Members of the public should always have a regard for their own personal safety and our advice is to call the police immediately."

Of course, the police would rush out to deal with a group of children like this. If Lord Phillips had called the police a civilian worker would have given him a reference number "for insurance purposes" and that would be it.
Anybody think that the police are getting scared that its all going to kick off shortly and that people are getting p1ssed off with this continual degeneration?
 
#8
Anyone checking out the daily express today? (I know, i'm scum...), page 11. Good article about the way policing used to be. A sample...

Picture the scene: 40 of the capital's worst thugs surged forawrd in a threatening mass, bent on mayhem. Heading the mob was a formeer middleweight boxer who had shot the leasers of serveral opposing gangs.

All of his gang possessed shocking criminal records and, at their leader's behest, they had participated in gang warfare, solashing opponents with razors, hacking at them with knives and chisels, battering them with iron bars and house bricks. Even the most unworldly onlooker could see they were heading for violent confrontation. And then this happened.

Into their path stepped a man. At 5ft 10in, he was not overly tall but he was sturdily built and had an air of authority. He was a police officer, in plain clothes, and he was alone. He spoke just two words: "Clear off!"

The mob halted. The leader said nothing. But one of the group did. He was not more courageous than the rest of the gang but evidently he wanted to gain some kudos infront of his fellow gangsters. He made a sneering remark to the detective; one second later he was sprawling on the ground, courtesy of a right hook to his jaw. A couple of gang members helped him to his feet - then all of them took to their heels.

Before you get your hopes up too much, this happened at Lewes Racetrack more than 80 years ago. The detective who threw the punch was Fred "Nutty" Sharpe, whose toughness was legendary.
It seems that police nowadays are more concerned with diversity awareness courses, trying to look cool through skateboarding, and to not offend anybody rather than police.

Another exerpt:

It is difficult, I know, for the police chiefs of today who have seldom grabbed anything more threatening than a ball-point pen and whose dreamy days are spent in their ivory towers, arranging courses on diversity, gender awareness, health and safety issues and human rights.

At the same time, they wonder how many more community support officers they can recruit, as young as possible, those with disabilities being desirable but those wearing hijabs being the icing on the cake - a surefire way to be included in the Honours List.

Like it or not, these politically correct pseudo-politicians control all that is left of the thin blue line; all tha seperates us from anarchy.
Sums up my opinions neatly. Anyone else think that Dick Kirby of the Express should be the Arrse Political Party Social Adviser? :wink:
 
#9
Call the police - you are having a laugh. Where I live there is a Police "Office" (not a station anymore) After 1530, it closes to the public. I can imagine the laughter if I rang to complain about kids riding bikes on the pavement. Overhearing homophobic banter would result in an Armed Response Unit and a helicopter, of course.

I dont blame the coppers - just the way they are being led.
 
#10
Lord Phillips made the obvious mistake of assuming the police have some kind of authority in this situation.

People have to realise that the police are not capable of deciding to charge anyone (The CPS do that) and unless the accused says 'Yes officer, it was me, its a fair cop' that just isn't going to happen.

He should of tripped one of the kids over and 'accidentally' stamped on his hand, worst case is kid goes to police, police take statements, pass to CPS, CPS say no further action (Your word against his).

Whats the problem?
 
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Biscuits_AB

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Bouillabaisse said:
"And when the police arrived, whose side do you think they were on? They didn't even tick off the boys, but warned Lord Phillips that he was wrong to try to exercise any authority himself. As a police spokeswoman said: "Members of the public should always have a regard for their own personal safety and our advice is to call the police immediately."

Of course, the police would rush out to deal with a group of children like this. If Lord Phillips had called the police a civilian worker would have given him a reference number "for insurance purposes" and that would be it.
You're not allowed to call them 'civilian' workers. It's 'Support Staff'.
 
#12
Lord Philips is a well known barrister and judge so he knew what he was doing and certainly wouldn't have been too worried about what the police said. He used to be the "Leagle Eagle" on the Jimmy Young show on Radio 2 and spoke great common sense. Well done M'Lud.
 
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Biscuits_AB

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RABC said:
Call the police - you are having a laugh. Where I live there is a Police "Office" (not a station anymore) After 1530, it closes to the public. I can imagine the laughter if I rang to complain about kids riding bikes on the pavement. Overhearing homophobic banter would result in an Armed Response Unit and a helicopter, of course.

I dont blame the coppers - just the way they are being led.
I do. It's not just their management. The newer breed are more PC than PC if you follow me. The attitudes of some of them (just look at some of them who post here) is sh*te. They complain about being swamped and diluted by 'support staff', but someone has to do the job. Half of the coppers I've encountered can't be arrsed most of the time. And that's not a new phenomena. It's convenient to blame the management as it takes the eye off the real problem. They want more money? Start earning it then.
 
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Were I the policemen (I have no-where near enough patience or restraint to be one), I would have taken the boy's name and address, escorted him home and briefed his parents on the situation. I would advise them them that Lord Phillips' actions do not constitute assault and that, whilst the boy may not have broken the law, they might want to brief said child on proper behaviour before he ends up smoking crystal meth and selling blow jobs for a fiver down at the local bus station.
 
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Bat_Crab said:
Were I the policemen (I have no-where near enough patience or restraint to be one), I would have taken the boy's name and address, escorted him home and briefed his parents on the situation. I would advise them them that Lord Phillips' actions do not constitute assault and that, whilst the boy may not have broken the law, they might want to brief said child on proper behaviour before he ends up smoking crystal meth and selling blow jobs for a fiver down at the local bus station.
Chr1st talk about inflation :twisted: On a more serious note, do you think talking to the parents would ahve done any good - the little chave didn't end up that way because of responsible parenting - they probably need a kicking more than the little scrote.
 
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Biscuits_AB said:
RABC said:
Call the police - you are having a laugh. Where I live there is a Police "Office" (not a station anymore) After 1530, it closes to the public. I can imagine the laughter if I rang to complain about kids riding bikes on the pavement. Overhearing homophobic banter would result in an Armed Response Unit and a helicopter, of course.

I dont blame the coppers - just the way they are being led.
I do. It's not just their management. The newer breed are more PC than PC if you follow me. The attitudes of some of them (just look at some of them who post here) is sh*te. They complain about being swamped and diluted by 'support staff', but someone has to do the job. Half of the coppers I've encountered can't be arrsed most of the time. And that's not a new phenomena. It's convenient to blame the management as it takes the eye off the real problem. They want more money? Start earning it then.
when was the last time you was a Policeman pal ? my Family has been in the Police Force for 3 generations also I have friends who are Policemen, many of them are frustrated at fighting crime with one hand tied behind their back, morale is rock bottom, I have listened to them, many wished Policing is more like "Life on Mars" there was common sense, respect for the Police and grudingly from the Criminal farternity as well, many can't do what they want cos its the criminals 'uman rights innit ? you can't do anthing without authorisation from the Inspector who are unlikely to be out of their office much, I have only seen an Inspector once on Patrol on his own in a Police car, he pulled me up on my way to work, cos steam (condensation) was coming out of my exhaust at 6am in the morning. must be a quiet morning for him.

what we need is a return to common sense, starting with scrapping Human Rights Act, arresting and deporting Foreign undesirables.

instead of mouthing off, don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution and join up ! pillock
 
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semper said:
Biscuits_AB said:
RABC said:
Call the police - you are having a laugh. Where I live there is a Police "Office" (not a station anymore) After 1530, it closes to the public. I can imagine the laughter if I rang to complain about kids riding bikes on the pavement. Overhearing homophobic banter would result in an Armed Response Unit and a helicopter, of course.

I dont blame the coppers - just the way they are being led.
I do. It's not just their management. The newer breed are more PC than PC if you follow me. The attitudes of some of them (just look at some of them who post here) is sh*te. They complain about being swamped and diluted by 'support staff', but someone has to do the job. Half of the coppers I've encountered can't be arrsed most of the time. And that's not a new phenomena. It's convenient to blame the management as it takes the eye off the real problem. They want more money? Start earning it then.
when was the last time you was a Policeman pal ? my Family has been in the Police Force for 3 generations also I have friends who are Policemen, many of them are frustrated at fighting crime with one hand tied behind their back, morale is rock bottom, I have listened to them, many wished Policing is more like "Life on Mars" there was common sense, respect for the Police and grudingly from the Criminal farternity as well, many can't do what they want cos its the criminals 'uman rights innit ? you can't do anthing without authorisation from the Inspector who are unlikely to be out of their office much, I have only seen an Inspector once on Patrol on his own in a Police car, he pulled me up on my way to work, cos steam (condensation) was coming out of my exhaust at 6am in the morning. must be a quiet morning for him.

what we need is a return to common sense, starting with scrapping Human Rights Act, arresting and deporting Foreign undesirables.

instead of mouthing off, don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution and join up ! pillock
AND THEY'RE OFF!
 
#18
not saying anymore than I need to Rickshaw Major. :)

just need to make a valid point to an ill thought out remark, I won't be drawn into a slanging match, I intend where possible to stay on topic

I fully expect some sarcastic remark of Biscuits_AB in response, which doesn't bother me the slightest, I have a door at the end of my room and outside that is real life.
 
#19
rickshaw-major said:
semper said:
Biscuits_AB said:
RABC said:
Call the police - you are having a laugh. Where I live there is a Police "Office" (not a station anymore) After 1530, it closes to the public. I can imagine the laughter if I rang to complain about kids riding bikes on the pavement. Overhearing homophobic banter would result in an Armed Response Unit and a helicopter, of course.

I dont blame the coppers - just the way they are being led.
I do. It's not just their management. The newer breed are more PC than PC if you follow me. The attitudes of some of them (just look at some of them who post here) is sh*te. They complain about being swamped and diluted by 'support staff', but someone has to do the job. Half of the coppers I've encountered can't be arrsed most of the time. And that's not a new phenomena. It's convenient to blame the management as it takes the eye off the real problem. They want more money? Start earning it then.
when was the last time you was a Policeman pal ? my Family has been in the Police Force for 3 generations also I have friends who are Policemen, many of them are frustrated at fighting crime with one hand tied behind their back, morale is rock bottom, I have listened to them, many wished Policing is more like "Life on Mars" there was common sense, respect for the Police and grudingly from the Criminal farternity as well, many can't do what they want cos its the criminals 'uman rights innit ? you can't do anthing without authorisation from the Inspector who are unlikely to be out of their office much, I have only seen an Inspector once on Patrol on his own in a Police car, he pulled me up on my way to work, cos steam (condensation) was coming out of my exhaust at 6am in the morning. must be a quiet morning for him.

what we need is a return to common sense, starting with scrapping Human Rights Act, arresting and deporting Foreign undesirables.

instead of mouthing off, don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution and join up ! pillock
AND THEY'RE OFF!
8) I have met police who have been told to do their quota for the day must be eg. numbers , I stopped short of a stop sign and a white line which was worn away cost me. My Grandfather was a Policeman after doing a stint in India,in the British Army my brother was in the Met. have friends in the police and the Law. The Police have their hands with all the so called P.C. and more.In the bad days crims, would have been lifted young and old. About time the Govt. gave the police the powers to do their job and recruited more police, until a proper balance is restored the police cannot do their job, there of a few rubbish coppers they are in the minority but their actions spoil the name of the police, shame. seems the courts let the police down :x
 
#20
My nephew is in the police. He was even told to get the required number of nicks when ON LEAVE. I think they are just as fed up as us.
 

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