To Brew, or Not To Brew.......

#1
Just admiring Arthurs fantastic drawings, (The crew by the Chiefie in the woods to be precise), and the old memory buds started working. Does anybody remember the 'brew kettle'? A cone inside a tube, welded at the bottom, the top cut off the cone as a chimney, with little tin legs, which you filled full of H2o. One empty compo tin full of benz underneath, and voila, two gallons of boiling water inside five mins.
Our LAD used to knock them up for us (when not missing, asleep, eating etc etc.)
Are these fantastic contraptions still in use, or did they go the same way as the self exploding N01 burner, or in fact compo in a tin?????????? :? :?
 

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#2
Jumpmeister said:
Just admiring Arthurs fantastic drawings, (The crew by the Chiefie in the woods to be precise), and the old memory buds started working. Does anybody remember the 'brew kettle'? A cone inside a tube, welded at the bottom, the top cut off the cone as a chimney, with little tin legs, which you filled full of H2o. One empty compo tin full of benz underneath, and voila, two gallons of boiling water inside five mins.
Our LAD used to knock them up for us (when not missing, asleep, eating etc etc.)
Are these fantastic contraptions still in use, or did they go the same way as the self exploding N01 burner, or in fact compo in a tin?????????? :? :?
Shirley like the recent discussion (may not have been this forum) on the No 3 Petrol cooker, it's unlikely because we don't put benz in wer vehicles any more and it won't run on diesel.

Or a meringue?
 
#3
Jumpmeister said:
Just admiring Arthurs fantastic drawings, (The crew by the Chiefie in the woods to be precise), and the old memory buds started working. Does anybody remember the 'brew kettle'? A cone inside a tube, welded at the bottom, the top cut off the cone as a chimney, with little tin legs, which you filled full of H2o. One empty compo tin full of benz underneath, and voila, two gallons of boiling water inside five mins.
Our LAD used to knock them up for us (when not missing, asleep, eating etc etc.)
Are these fantastic contraptions still in use, or did they go the same way as the self exploding N01 burner, or in fact compo in a tin?????????? :? :?
The Kiwis used to have a similar item on all their vehicle CESs back in the eighties, looked bit like an old fashioned coffee pot from the cowboy films. Could boil water for the Milo in seconds few, saw one in a camping shop on a recent trip to Australia. ISTR someone telling me that they were very popular in the Western Desert WWII. I wish I could remember what the Kiwis called them.
 
#4
Begazi burner was the term in WWII . Cut down British petrol tin, not the Jerry can, half full of sand. Add 1 tin of benz and you cooking on benz.
 
#5
Identical principle to the magnificent old "Volcano" kettle, which could be brought to a furious boil with one old newspaper.

Volcano kettles are still manufactured by The Kelly Kettle Co. About £30 but indestructable, and will last a lifetime.

Happy memories . . . .
 
#6
AlienFTM said:
Jumpmeister said:
Just admiring Arthurs fantastic drawings, (The crew by the Chiefie in the woods to be precise), and the old memory buds started working. Does anybody remember the 'brew kettle'? A cone inside a tube, welded at the bottom, the top cut off the cone as a chimney, with little tin legs, which you filled full of H2o. One empty compo tin full of benz underneath, and voila, two gallons of boiling water inside five mins.
Our LAD used to knock them up for us (when not missing, asleep, eating etc etc.)
Are these fantastic contraptions still in use, or did they go the same way as the self exploding N01 burner, or in fact compo in a tin?????????? :? :?
Shirley like the recent discussion (may not have been this forum) on the No 3 Petrol cooker, it's unlikely because we don't put benz in wer vehicles any more and it won't run on diesel.

Or a meringue?
I've never seen these things in use. We were content to use the petrol burner. (when we couldn't use the BV). Yes we did run on diesel but we always had a jerrycan of benz in the baskets along with our oils and spare water although experience shows that these are very vulnerable to small arms fire.
 
#7
Jumpmeister said:
Just admiring Arthurs fantastic drawings, (The crew by the Chiefie in the woods to be precise), and the old memory buds started working. Does anybody remember the 'brew kettle'? A cone inside a tube, welded at the bottom, the top cut off the cone as a chimney, with little tin legs, which you filled full of H2o. One empty compo tin full of benz underneath, and voila, two gallons of boiling water inside five mins.
Our LAD used to knock them up for us (when not missing, asleep, eating etc etc.)
Are these fantastic contraptions still in use, or did they go the same way as the self exploding N01 burner, or in fact compo in a tin?????????? :? :?
We called them 'Bengazis', ISTR they were made illegal and as everything now runs on diesel including the 'Green Goddess', benz is hard to come by!!! :roll:
 
#8
By "Green Goddess" do you mean fire engines or is that some new kind of diesel burning cooker I've not heard of?

(I'm serious btw)
 
#9
We called them 'Bengazis', ISTR they were made illegal and as everything now runs on diesel including the 'Green Goddess', benz is hard to come by!!! Rolling Eyes
So the days of 'getting rid' of a couple of hundred gallons of the stuff when a Cent went into w/shops are now gone, it seems....
Pity, my old Opel ran well on the Army Benz... :twisted: :twisted:
Our Chiefies were the first and only thing we had that ran on Derv at the time. Even they were supposed to be 'multifuel', but that was ditched after a bit. Anyway, I doubt if the L60 would have run on petrol.
 
#10
GDav said:
By "Green Goddess" do you mean fire engines or is that some new kind of diesel burning cooker I've not heard of?

(I'm serious btw)
The new, well it's been out for quite a few years now, diesel burning cooker!!! :?

Jumpmeister said:
I doubt if the L60 would have run on petrol.
It will but doesn't sound to good 8O , ISTR one of tanks running out of fuel during one of the practices for the infamous 'Staff College Demo' when we were in 'Paders'. Purely as a 'Get me Home' thing, the commander stuck a jerry can of benz in and it got him back to where the rest of the squadron were parked up! 8) Thinking about it it must have been using a mixture of the shite that was left in the base tanks topped up with a smidgeon of 4 Star!!! :D
 
#11
Jumpmeister said:
We called them 'Bengazis', ISTR they were made illegal and as everything now runs on diesel including the 'Green Goddess', benz is hard to come by!!! Rolling Eyes
So the days of 'getting rid' of a couple of hundred gallons of the stuff when a Cent went into w/shops are now gone, it seems....
Pity, my old Opel ran well on the Army Benz... :twisted: :twisted:
Our Chiefies were the first and only thing we had that ran on Derv at the time. Even they were supposed to be 'multifuel', but that was ditched after a bit. Anyway, I doubt if the L60 would have run on petrol.
It was designed as a multifuel engine mate. Could run on virtually anything. I've never seen one run on anything but diesel however and I note Soprano's comments. Also I did have a REME bloke explain to me once that it took about 24 hours to adjust an L60 fuel injection system to run on anything else, and the same to return it to diesel fuel. Seems a bit pointless - good concept mind you, but better if it worked.
 
#12
soprano54 said:
GDav said:
By "Green Goddess" do you mean fire engines or is that some new kind of diesel burning cooker I've not heard of?

(I'm serious btw)
The new, well it's been out for quite a few years now, diesel burning cooker!!! :?
Truthfully, I'd never heard of it before now. I presume it works under pressure like the petrol burner?
 
#13
GDav said:
Truthfully, I'd never heard of it before now. I presume it works under pressure like the petrol burner?
Exactly the same principle and IIRC their is some sort of inflammable paste that is used to get the thing going. No doubt one of the younger generation will confirm that, I admit I've not used one personally as I've still got my little 'Camping Gas Bluett', mind you I can't even remember the last time I was on a proper exercise! 8O I can but it was when I was working with the RAF and then we stayed in a hotel!!! 8)
 
#15
The thing with a bengazi is that you should only reuse the sand in the tin once, after that it doesn't soak up the benz. What does happen, is that the benz vapourises and spreads out over quite a large part of the desert. So I have heard cough cough, once lit the pool of flame is quiet impressive.
I would like to point out that I wasn't that good looking jnco stood in the pool of flame and it wasn't witnessed, apart from one other nco who told me to chuck some sand on it and he wouldn't tell anyone. Cheers G S you cnut!
 
#16
soprano54 said:
GDav said:
Truthfully, I'd never heard of it before now. I presume it works under pressure like the petrol burner?
Exactly the same principle and IIRC their is some sort of inflammable paste that is used to get the thing going. No doubt one of the younger generation will confirm that, I admit I've not used one personally as I've still got my little 'Camping Gas Bluett', mind you I can't even remember the last time I was on a proper exercise! 8O I can but it was when I was working with the RAF and then we stayed in a hotel!!! 8)
I aways found it pointless to have civvy camping stuff to try and make life easier. Sure it worked ok the first couple of times but these things were never made to stand the environment of damp etc which was found on prolonged use on a tank. Our philosophy was always to make the best of the kit we were issued and being honest, it always did us ok.

I'm tempted to say the same about this diesel stove. You mention a paste which is required to start it off. What happens if this paste is not available in combat situations - the stove is useless? Or is there an alternative means of lighting it?

The old petrol burner may have been a nuisance at times but if it were checked for leaks, the leaking joints tightened and then pricked with its own pricker or a bit of D10 it invariably worked - and worked well.

I know we should embrace new kit and try to make it work but I hope you'll excuse me if I say, on this occasion, I haven't heard anything to make me think the Green Goddess is an improvement on the petrol burner or the Benghazi burner the guys have been chatting about. Although I will say this LOL. I bet that Benghazi burner leaves one helluva stour on the arse of the pots :)
 
#17
All the paste does is pre warm the thing a bit like the stuff used on Peak stoves when they are cold. Its in order to stop a massive yellow flame on lighting, tho' it will settle down after a while.
Not a bad bit of kit all the same, still on CES for the Sammie and ickle REMEs variants like that i think.
 
#18
GDav said:
I aways found it pointless to have civvy camping stuff to try and make life easier. Sure it worked ok the first couple of times but these things were never made to stand the environment of damp etc which was found on prolonged use on a tank. Our philosophy was always to make the best of the kit we were issued and being honest, it always did us ok.

I'm tempted to say the same about this diesel stove. You mention a paste which is required to start it off. What happens if this paste is not available in combat situations - the stove is useless? Or is there an alternative means of lighting it?

The old petrol burner may have been a nuisance at times but if it were checked for leaks, the leaking joints tightened and then pricked with its own pricker or a bit of D10 it invariably worked - and worked well.
Well my little gas cooker has stood the test of time I must have had it at least twenty years now! Don't get me wrong I didn't rely solely on it, it was just nice to have three methods of boiling water. It also fit snugly in one of the proj racks and handy for using during a radio stag when you couldn't start the GUE or throw the OMC!!! :wink: I also agree with your comments about the petrol version of the 'Green Goddess' it was superb if kept maintained, not sure on alternative for the paste! We will have to wait for a youngster to comment!!! :p
 
#19
soprano54 said:
GDav said:
I aways found it pointless to have civvy camping stuff to try and make life easier. Sure it worked ok the first couple of times but these things were never made to stand the environment of damp etc which was found on prolonged use on a tank. Our philosophy was always to make the best of the kit we were issued and being honest, it always did us ok.

I'm tempted to say the same about this diesel stove. You mention a paste which is required to start it off. What happens if this paste is not available in combat situations - the stove is useless? Or is there an alternative means of lighting it?

The old petrol burner may have been a nuisance at times but if it were checked for leaks, the leaking joints tightened and then pricked with its own pricker or a bit of D10 it invariably worked - and worked well.
Well my little gas cooker has stood the test of time I must have had it at least twenty years now! Don't get me wrong I didn't rely solely on it, it was just nice to have three methods of boiling water. It also fit snugly in one of the proj racks and handy for using during a radio stag when you couldn't start the GUE or throw the OMC!!! :wink: I also agree with your comments about the petrol version of the 'Green Goddess' it was superb if kept maintained, not sure on alternative for the paste! We will have to wait for a youngster to comment!!! :p
Im hardly young but thanks all the same... :D
 
#20
catchyerselfon said:
soprano54 said:
GDav said:
I aways found it pointless to have civvy camping stuff to try and make life easier. Sure it worked ok the first couple of times but these things were never made to stand the environment of damp etc which was found on prolonged use on a tank. Our philosophy was always to make the best of the kit we were issued and being honest, it always did us ok.

I'm tempted to say the same about this diesel stove. You mention a paste which is required to start it off. What happens if this paste is not available in combat situations - the stove is useless? Or is there an alternative means of lighting it?

The old petrol burner may have been a nuisance at times but if it were checked for leaks, the leaking joints tightened and then pricked with its own pricker or a bit of D10 it invariably worked - and worked well.
Well my little gas cooker has stood the test of time I must have had it at least twenty years now! Don't get me wrong I didn't rely solely on it, it was just nice to have three methods of boiling water. It also fit snugly in one of the proj racks and handy for using during a radio stag when you couldn't start the GUE or throw the OMC!!! :wink: I also agree with your comments about the petrol version of the 'Green Goddess' it was superb if kept maintained, not sure on alternative for the paste! We will have to wait for a youngster to comment!!! :p
Im hardly young but thanks all the same... :D
So what does one do if there's no paste? Just light it and suffer the yellow flame until the jet heats up?
 

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