Times says Bravery and initiative thwarted by No 10 in Afg

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  1. From The Times
    July 3, 2009
    A turning point in Afghanistan
    The US surge has all the elements of force, speed and surprise for military success. But to win, the allies must prepare for long-term deployment
    In sending in a lightning strike force of 4,000 Marines to clear the Taleban from Helmand, Barack Obama is taking the riskiest strategic decision yet of his presidency. Operation Khanjar — “Strike of the Sword” — had been long prepared, with the announcement of 17,000 extra troops for Afghanistan, the steady build-up of 8,500 Marines in the province in the past two months and the tight co-ordination with the Afghan and Pakistani armies. But as thousands of US troops stormed into the Helmand river valley yesterday, they had all the elements of surprise, speed and overwhelming force, the classic elements of military success. If the strategy works, the operation could mark a turning point in the war. If it fails to stem the reverses and the bloodshed, it could demoralise Nato further, accelerate Afghanistan’s downward spiral and seriously damage Mr Obama’s authority at home and overseas
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  2. It's hard to disagree. Had we been properly funded with appropriate troop levels and the means to rebuild, Basra would have been a lot easier to get a grip of - and I imagine Afghanistan isn't much different.
  3. Are you seriously suggesting that there is no bravery shown by British troops in Afghanistan? That they show no initiative?
  4. This whole caper in Affers is doomed to failure. As soon as the Septics took their eye off the ball and concentrated on their real objective, Iraq, the game was up. That's when the British Army should have upped sticks and kicked it in touch, instead of hanging around hopelessly underfunded by that slimy toad Brown the Clown and sacrificing the lives of good folks.

    There's no doubt that the British Army has made an absolutely marvellous fist of things, considering the murderous restraints, both financial and with regard to manpower, they were/are under. But if yon Septics really mean business in Affers this time around, they should accept that they'll need a minimum of at least 500,000 troops there for the next seven years, if not longer. Anything else is just pissing in the wind.

  5. Our contribution to ISAF is encapsulated by the (then) Defence Minister saying,upon deployment ''I hope not a shot will be fired''
  6. Andy_S

    Andy_S LE Book Reviewer

    RE: "I hope not a shot will be fired"
    Helmand was largely peaceful just before 3 Para deployed: IOW, the statement was perfectly reasonable at the time. It is easy to be wise after the event.
  7. The poor Bastards club?

  8. Read the full title...."thwarted by No 10".
  9. He hoped you would forget the No 10 and thwarted bit.


    –verb (used with object) 1. to oppose successfully; prevent from accomplishing a purpose.

    2. to frustrate or baffle (a plan, purpose, etc.).
  10. You leave him alone. He's frothing at the mouth with anger and this could be fun. Grrrrrrrrr!
  11. Clearly you didn't bother to read the full article. Either you are plain lazy/stupid or a troll.
  12. And that stupid cnuting MP John Reid said " not a shot will be fired" just four years ago
  13. OK

    Is the Times . . . . . . .

  14. So acording to the Times the attempts at bravery and initiative are baffled, stopped - there is no bravery or initiative.

    Personally I would say that they are there and easily visible DESPITE the government and the Times, as so often, is stating falsehoods beause they are so determined to spew anti government vitriol.
  15. Due to the fact it was lightly patrolled by SF and small-ish American units who reffered to the upper Sangin valley as 'TIC valley' (TIC= Troops In Contact) so actually a bit of a boo-boo by Mr Reid.