Time to talk tough with the US

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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Alsacien

MIA
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#2
FORMER_FYRDMAN said:
Read this article in the Telegraph today. Is it about time that the Boy Dave took Barack O to one side and asked him how much he fancied doing Afghanistan without help from us if he doesn't change his ways?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-US-will-take-action-to-stop-BP-dividend.html
It does seem to be getting a bit OTT.
The leak was not deliberate, BP were not negligent, and they same to be doing everything they can to stop it - even if its failing to work. They have also agree to pick up the tab to sort it afterwards, so I'm not sure there is anything more they can do right now.
I think we have to expect a fair amount of political posturing over this, but unless the US administration can suggest something constructive publicly, they should otherwise just work with BP behind the scenes to sort it with them.
 
#3
Ah well I hope some of the pesioners that are affected by this are the ones that proclaimed Obama a Messiah

Yanks have a pretty short memory remember Piper Alpha?

Magic
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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Alsacien said:
FORMER_FYRDMAN said:
Read this article in the Telegraph today. Is it about time that the Boy Dave took Barack O to one side and asked him how much he fancied doing Afghanistan without help from us if he doesn't change his ways?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-US-will-take-action-to-stop-BP-dividend.html
It does seem to be getting a bit OTT.
The leak was not deliberate, BP were not negligent, and they same to be doing everything they can to stop it - even if its failing to work. They have also agree to pick up the tab to sort it afterwards, so I'm not sure there is anything more they can do right now.
I think we have to expect a fair amount of political posturing over this, but unless the US administration can suggest something constructive publicly, they should otherwise just work with BP behind the scenes to sort it with them.
But the reality is that the posturing is now doing real economic damage to this country, more damage than the Taliban have ever done. I think our government should make it clear to Obama that Brit bashing and trashing UK pensions for political expediency will carry a cost. Put another way, the Taliban threat to the well-being of the UK is vague and ill-defined, the threat from Obama's behaviour is direct and all too clear.

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US companies where running the rigs and operation which BP had subcontracted from them, this includes Haliburton.
 
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It does piss me off when we get all this anti-British/foreigner hysteria from the USA when something goes wrong that can be blamed on non US citizens. We didnt hear the US government threatening to "kick Ass" when the American owned Union Carbide gassed all those people in Bhopal India. However whilst we get all indignant and offended let bear in mind that 4 GI's were killed trying to rescue 2 wound Royal Marines in the Afghan yesterday.
Let's hope BP clear the mess up take the bollocking, but bear this in mind when it comes to future job creation or investment in the US.
 
#8
It seems that this will continue up to midterms as Obama seeks to regain support from the Left, however this kind of rhetoric is frankly unpresidential and Bush even though he was a moron did not betray his allies. Obama never seems to call it BP but rather British Petroleum, fueling an anti-British prejudices in the US which will likely impact other British firms. This really is a time for the Prime Minister to publicly defend BP and call the President out over it, if the US President is willing to use a British company as a political scapegoat and to 'kick some ass', then he's putting his politics before our 'special relationship' - Cameron should therefore respond likewise and defend BP. All this is doing is weakening the British economy, the recovery of which is vital to the coaltion's policies. If this damages US-UK relations then so be it, British firms come first, especially if they've done little wrong.
 

seaweed

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#9
A nasty piece of puerile populist finger pointing by an inadequate President, but sadly, in spite of the damage it is doing, we have NO leverage with the US.
 
#10
Memory says that three US government safety inspections where carried out on the US owned platform in the month preceding the explosion.
At start of year 'O' was all for drilling in coastal waters, then first foul up and he's playing the blame game.
No one has ever dealt with a disaster of this type at this depth.
From the BBC
'US investors own 39% of the company, including 25 institutional and 14 big individual investors. '
I said some time ago that 'O' is a one term President, he has major elections coming up and he is now taking the easy nationalist way out blame the old traditional enemy the Brit who once enslaved the US, The Madness of King George !
john
'O' commie light.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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#11
Obama is certainly out of order but, and it's my fault for mis-titling the thread a bit, my question is really about whether we use our participation in America's Afghan adventure, and the threat of withdrawal, to calm our American cousins down. They have effectively declared economic war and, in terms of vital interests, protecting our economy far outweighs anything that we might achieve in Afghanistan.
 
#12
I must admit to a growing sense of rage as Obama dares to lay down the law to a privately (or rather publically) owned company about how they should order their internal financial affairs. It is presumably a bit of wish-fulfilment for him, as he would love to wield a bit of state socialism around the US economy but dare not for obvious reasons.
 

OldSnowy

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#13
I have read, in various places, of how O'Bama's grandfather was either tortured by the British in Kenya. Others say that he was not tortured, as his Tribe were very much part of the State at the time, and joined in the suppression of the MauMau. Whatever the truth of the matter, it is clear from his writing that he blames the British for torturing his granpappy, and that must surely go a long way to explaining things.

Other than that, it is pretty clear that he is a second-rate politico evry much out of his depth, and that he is doing his populist bit to get the left in the USA back on side. We've just been through a couple of years of something rather similar, so I don't think we can be too harsh on all Merkins for this. After all, we voted in Brown just as they voted in Obama.

Oh, wait a minute, no we didn't! :)
 
#14
Personally I think he should have got a big slap after the offer to negotiate on the Falklands. The British government should have publicly thanked him and in return offered to negotiate a hand over of Texas to Mexico.
 
#15
If Obama's mau mau terrorist (sorry freedom fighter) granpappy couldn't take a joke, then he shouldn't have fcuking joined...
 
#16
Mass outrage bus required 50k+ of e-mails to the white house from Arrsers
anybody have Mr O's e-mail address??
 
#17
`Talk tough with the US?

Like they would give a flying Fcuck about our opinion.
 
#18
I cant wait for this to come to Court in the US, maybe then we,ll see the blame PROPERLY apportioned, meantime Obama can just carry on his populist hysteria til the whole thing comes and bites him in the arse. At any rate he is only a one trick pony, here today, gone in four years, I hope.
 
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FORMER_FYRDMAN said:
Read this article in the Telegraph today. Is it about time that the Boy Dave took Barack O to one side and asked him how much he fancied doing Afghanistan without help from us if he doesn't change his ways?/quote]

Yeah so something like" Oi OBama - outside narrh!"
 
#20
Rufus-T-Firefly said:
A very interesting read. Is Obama worried about his faltering popularity and merely playing for the cameras?
Yeah. Hopefully (as he always does) he'll do some nice talking but won't actually do jack shit
 

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