Time to start a boycott

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by finnjim, Feb 16, 2005.

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  1. I dont know. Maybe I am in the minority here, but as I watch the news and see another company is going to relocate, to make bigger profits for its shareholders.
    It begs me to ask the question, why don't we, I mean we in the sense of the western countries who are these companies main source of income, why dont we start to boycott these companies?
    They relocate factories to the far east or eastern Europe, taking away much needed workplaces, from the people who can least afford it. Employ a new workforce, who have none of the benefits of working for a large corporation, no sick pay, no holidays, no contracts of employment, they are at the mercy of a faceless corporation.
    All in the name of making someone who is already as rich as Creseus richer!
    I really wont have anything to do with Elecrolux in future.
    As a byword, this doesn't affect me at all, i am a self employed builder, but I do hate to see people being taken advantage of.
    I know there is no morality left in the world, not when it comes to squeezing the last schekel out of Joe public, but we could at least vote with our feet, tell these companies, if you dont need us to manufacture, then you certainly wont need us to buy your product.
  2. Couldn't agree more!!
  3. Welcome to capitalism bud.

    When the wages are to high here (thanks Mr Union worker) countries are forced to move on to pastures new where the wages are far lower but standard are roughly the same. Simple fact of business mate. Doesnt make it easy for the thousands of tax-dodgers (students) who loose their job in the call centres though! :D
  4. Welcome to Capatilism.
    That it may be, but it still sucks, it doesn't make life very easy on the rest of the tax paying public,
    Maybe if we told these companies, that they would be on a boycott, maybe then they would think again their strategy.
    Now I have nothiing against 3rd world companies getting a manufacturing base, I do object to jobs being taken of people who have tied themselves to mortgages et al tied to a suppossed secure job, order books filled, but the big wigs want to squeeze a few more pence out of their options.
    Where I live, a lot of companies have tripped across the water to Estonia and Latvia, at the same time cheap labour has been coming in the opposite
    Lets get some priorities right, if you lose your manufacturing base, you turn into a country of importers, national debt rockets, very soon you are bankrupt.
  5. Err no, if a business (or a country) doesn't cut it's costs when it can, while it's competitors, including foreign ones do, then that's when it becomes bankrupt.
  6. in_the_cheapseats

    in_the_cheapseats LE Moderator

    Have to agree with AWOL. We don't help ourselves by ridiculous rates of tax for fuel, commercial property rent + the wage bill that comes with any business in the UK. If you can make the same good elsewhere for a fraction of the cost (and therefore profit), any sensible businessman has an easy choice.

    The problem of business relocation will only increase as the global market becomes easier to reach and more importantly, the euro zone gains credibility. :(
  7. <shrug> So where are you going to get vacuum cleaners, then?

    It's capitalism. Get over it. The Euro zone is waaaaaah expensive for employers and there are burgeoning economies elsewhere with good skill bases, minimal government interference and low costs of employment.

    Post-industrial economies like ours need to concentrate on what we can do that others can't - so essentially finance or specialist services, R&D, high technology, consulting, that kind of thing. Clue - all these are high margin businesses, so can afford to operate in highly regulated and expensive environments, whereas manufacturing, resource extraction, that kind of thing are low margin.

    You can stave off the inevitable - cf Ireland and the 10-year corporation tax holiday - but sooner or later the greed of high-tax Western governments and the demands of the work force will push low-margin businesses out of high-cost geographies.
  8. Yes, but in mainland Europe we all pay high taxes.
    That is down to government policy, they state how much they need, then they go about fleecing everyone to acheive their aim.
    Where does that leave the man in the street, he has to combat the increased take on his wallet through higher fuel costs, higher taxation, higher prices in the high street. by so called excessive wage demands.
    At the same time corporations are paying millions to the top executives for higher profits, usually attained by sacking half the workforce, keeping the same level of productivity. still it isn't enough for the shareholders.
    It is time that the greed was countered by a bit of boycotting, that way we may not be taken advantage of so much.
    As I say it doesn't affect me directly, check my web page, i build houses not fridges.
  9. Interesting piece in Today's Times about the competiveness and growth of the various Euro economies. The UK is doing rather well outside it would seem. Germany and Italy doing very badly.
  10. Glad_it's_all_over said it really well.

    We are a post industrial country who specialised in heavy industry and production on a national scale. We were one of the best in the world, but then developing countries gain the skill sthat we had and could do the same work for far less at roughly the same quality. Therefore, the market forces us to move onwards and upwards to develop what we are in now, a knowledge based economy. Again, we are specialising in things that we can do better than other countries. eventually, the developing world (see china and india) will catch up to us and once more we will have to move on to something else in order to be competeitive.

    This is what drives the system of capitalism. It's what makes you able to go to 4 or 5 different shops before you choose who you want to buy your building materials from and what allows you to charge whatever you want to for you labour because you no longer work for the government but are part of the capitalist economy in which supply and demand is king. Hence why you probabbly have a real pain in the arrse getting plumbers to work for you and why they charge you the earth for their services. :D

  11. Could it be that our level of taxation and NI Cons could be so high because: our immigration, benefits and identity verification systems are the weakest in Europe??

    The result is that we are seen as the land of milk and honey for those travelling from as far away as China. Those of us who are legitimate taxpayers ( pay and paybook correct Sir!) end up supporting an almost equal number living off the black or grey economies??
  12. I think you must have used the same plumber that put my bathroom in (eventually).

    Serious point - some things work very well with unfettered competetion - somethings don't and require a slightly different model. That can be solved by various degrees of regulation ranging from simple competition law to full blown regulation with statutory powers.

    However - you have to be careful in how you apply that one as the mess that the privatised railways became proves (getting better now, but wrecked by the initial model of competition).
  13. Very true.

    Instances where quality cannot be comprimised (idealy) like the NHS, railways, roads etc should be nationalised, whereas instances where varying levels of quality are acceptable (like shopping, services, etc) should be donw by private enterprise with minimal stat interference.

  14. Don't be running away with the notion that there was some kind of golden era when Government-run industries were a haven of happy workers who were well paid, magnificently managed by enlightened and educated men and whose productivity was the envy of the Western world......... it was quite the opposite!

    Poor standards are not a production of capitalism - I run a commercial company that is sub-contracted by Government-funded organisations to do something they could do - but their level of bureaucracy, poor quality managers, unqualified staff and jobsworth culture results in a product that reflects all those things - we do it much much better than they could.

    Poor standards are a result of poor initial scoping, poor writing of contracts, poor benchmarking and poor monitoring and evaluation - and penalities. From my limited experience in working for a defence contractor that might well be a result of poorly paid civil servants who are out-gunned by their better paid commercial oppos.

    I have no problem with jobs being outsourced to other countries - 'twas ever thus - it will help those countries to become wealthier (which is good for everyone). We couldn't operate on thier wage levels and sustan the kind of developed economy we have. If we did, kiss goodbye to libraries, bin collections, road maintenance, sports centres and a myriad of other public facilities that our taxes pay for. (and don't bring the cost of asylum seekers into this - it's a drop in the ocean)
  15. Take comfort - eventually they will run out of cheap countries. :wink:
    The way for countries that lose jobs to cheaper countries is to do as was suggested in other posts go into areas with services/technologies/expertise they cannot provide.

    Many of the companies that were purely Oz owned and staffed were taken over by foreign companies because of their decades old 'brand loyalty'. Then these companies (particularly seppoe) wondered why sales dropped when we found out they were not the "dinky di" products they were. The simplest answer is because Australians are a peculiar lot and we get a bit miffed sometimes when someone buys out a company to get the loyalty but not return anything to our country in the way of jobs or profits.

    The "Buy Australian owned and made" campaign and the Ausbuy guide are still very important for a lot of enlightened consumers. Thats the only way to get at corporations hit them in the hip pocket and the media. Bad publicity makes international companies sit up and take note. Little can be done to shame governments into dropping whopping great 'hidden' taxes even with massive publicity. They do not care as come election time they roll out the pork barrel.

    In saying all that I agree that trying to maintain heavy industry at all costs within a country is not necessarily the right thing either. Australia exports a huge amount of raw materials to China etc and they manufacture it far cheaper (due to low wages, poor safety conditions and a queue of potential employees should you kick up a fuss) than most Western countries. We then buy the manufactured goods back at more than what we were paid for the raw materials. Ludicrous!

    Publicly owned utility services are a double edged sword. If it is a monopoly they become indolent and arrogant, bloated by their own mechanisms. Create duopolies and then price fixing becomes a problem. Partially or totally deregulating industries and you get cowboys who will try and use the law to make profit but prevent them from being reigned in at all by statutory legislation. Please note I am making terribly sweeping generalisations at this point.

    Capitalists will always attempt to improve profits for shareholders, often at the expense of the community. Communists on the other hand are really not that much better. Unfettered extremist anything only helps a minority to live well. It is, and always will be, hard to find the right balance to please everyone.