Time to recognise the Taliban are the Government of Afghanistan.

Sana

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One of the failings of Western Democracy in my opinion, is the failure to admit that odious regimes can work.

In our hubris we have often removed regimes that we don't like, such as Saddam, because they don't fit in with our values and standards.

The fact that countries under these regimes manage to function, and tend to fail as a State when those regimes are removed escapes our leaders. De-Ba'athification was a catastrophe, for example, despite stemming from noble aims as removing the "strong men" led to internecine strife and thousands of deaths.

We are now faced with an odious regime being the de facto government of Afghanistan, a country that faces biblical levels of poverty and imminent famine.

Although HMG provides aid (see below) , its sticking a plaster on a sucking chest wound.

HMG and the UN refuse to deal with the Taliban. The UN has imposed asset freezes on Afghanistan. There are no humanitarian exemptions to the sanctions regime placed on the Taliban in 2015.

The UN will provide aid ( see below) but will not unfreeze $9.5 bn of Afghan assets. Aid is not enough, the country is on the edge of collapse and faces tens or even hundreds of thousands of deaths from starvation.

The regime in power is odious to our standards, but we need to face reality and accept the Taliban are in charge. The West spent $3 trillion replacing the Taliban with the Taliban: its time we faced reality and realised that sticking to the high moral ground will lead to deaths on a scale that would make African famines look like detox.






What if de-Ba'athification did not happen? I wonder how things would have turned out.

We lost a lot of confidence from this.
 
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Thye have'nt gone away you know:

Five Pakistan soldiers killed in attack from Afghanistan, military says​

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan, Feb 6 (Reuters) - Militants firing from inside Afghanistan killed at least five Pakistani soldiers at a border post in northwestern Kurram district on Sunday, the Pakistan military said, the second such attack since Taliban militants took over Kabul in August.

The army said it retaliated, causing heavy casualties, but independent confirmation was not immediately possible because the districts along the mountainous Afghan border are off limits to journalists and human rights organisations.


“Militants from inside Afghanistan across the international border opened fire on Pakistani troops in Kurram district,” the military’s media wing said in a statement.

The Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), or Pakistan Taliban, which renewed an allegiance with the Afghan Taliban after the fall of Kabul, claimed responsibility for Sunday’s attack.

The Afghan government denied the firing had come from within Afghan territory.
 
Thye have'nt gone away you know:

Five Pakistan soldiers killed in attack from Afghanistan, military says​

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan, Feb 6 (Reuters) - Militants firing from inside Afghanistan killed at least five Pakistani soldiers at a border post in northwestern Kurram district on Sunday, the Pakistan military said, the second such attack since Taliban militants took over Kabul in August.

The army said it retaliated, causing heavy casualties, but independent confirmation was not immediately possible because the districts along the mountainous Afghan border are off limits to journalists and human rights organisations.


“Militants from inside Afghanistan across the international border opened fire on Pakistani troops in Kurram district,” the military’s media wing said in a statement.

The Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), or Pakistan Taliban, which renewed an allegiance with the Afghan Taliban after the fall of Kabul, claimed responsibility for Sunday’s attack.

The Afghan government denied the firing had come from within Afghan territory.
Has zero to do with my point about the impending catastrophe in Afghanistan and the likely deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of utterly innocent civilians.
 
Has zero to do with my point about the impending catastrophe in Afghanistan and the likely deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of utterly innocent civilians.
Best Pakistan and China start sending them aid then. Why is it the west's responsibility? The population of Afghanistan clearly indicated they wanted the west gone and wished to continue their medieval lifestyle.
 
Best Pakistan and China start sending them aid then. Why is it the west's responsibility? The population of Afghanistan clearly indicated they wanted the west gone and wished to continue their medieval lifestyle.
As mentioned already on this thread, the problem is the US are using their control of the international banking system to block anyone else from sending aid.
 
Best Pakistan and China start sending them aid then. Why is it the west's responsibility? The population of Afghanistan clearly indicated they wanted the west gone and wished to continue their medieval lifestyle.
It's not the West's responsibility per se, but we should engage in order to prevent a catastrophic famine.

Because it's the right thing to do. Berlin airlft refers

And I'm not entirely convinced that the population of Afghanistan want, or wanted to continue a medieval lifestyle.
 

Awol

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It’s nothing to do with an artificial enclosure on a map called ‘Afghanistan’ and more to do with a certain lifestyle that the West left behind 500 years ago.
 
And more chickens are coming in to roost:

Blast tears through mosque in northern Afghan city Kunduz, killing 33​

A blast tore through a Sunni mosque during Friday prayers in the northern Afghan city of Kunduz, killing 33 people and wounding dozens more, officials said.
Several blasts claimed by Islamic State hit the northern cities of Kunduz and Mazar-i-Sharif on Thursday. One of them, at a mosque and another days earlier at a school in western Kabul,
 
And more chickens are coming in to roost:

Blast tears through mosque in northern Afghan city Kunduz, killing 33​

A blast tore through a Sunni mosque during Friday prayers in the northern Afghan city of Kunduz, killing 33 people and wounding dozens more, officials said.
Several blasts claimed by Islamic State hit the northern cities of Kunduz and Mazar-i-Sharif on Thursday. One of them, at a mosque and another days earlier at a school in western Kabul,

Morning @miner69er,
From today's local 'comic'.
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oooh seems Pakistan has been overstepping the mark

Afghanistan will not tolerate 'invasions,' defense minister says​

KABUL, April 24 (Reuters) - Afghanistan's acting defence minister said on Sunday that the Taliban administration would not tolerate "invasions" from its neighours after protesting against airstrikes it says were conducted by neighbouring Pakistan.
 
oooh seems Pakistan has been overstepping the mark

Afghanistan will not tolerate 'invasions,' defense minister says​

KABUL, April 24 (Reuters) - Afghanistan's acting defence minister said on Sunday that the Taliban administration would not tolerate "invasions" from its neighours after protesting against airstrikes it says were conducted by neighbouring Pakistan.
The Taliban falling out with Pakistan brings a certain, oh I dunno, something. Irony maybe?
 

Blast kills more than 50 at Kabul mosque, its leader says​

KABUL, April 29 (Reuters) - A powerful explosion killed more than 50 worshippers after Friday prayers at a Kabul mosque, its leader said, the latest in a series of attacks on civilian targets in Afghanistan during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

The blast hit the Khalifa Sahib Mosque in the west of the capital in the early afternoon, said Besmullah Habib, deputy spokesman for the interior ministry, who said the official confirmed death toll was 10.
 

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