Glasgow_Jock
LE
Easily remedied if the purple haired unshaven cohort flew into Kabul to protest women's rights etc in the city, all would end well I'm sure.
Narrator: It did not end well.
Time to recognise the Taliban are the Government of Afghanistan.
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LE
Easily remedied if the purple haired unshaven cohort flew into Kabul to protest women's rights etc in the city, all would end well I'm sure.
Narrator: It did not end well.
Nope.
Sana
Old-Salt
One of the failings of Western Democracy in my opinion, is the failure to admit that odious regimes can work.
In our hubris we have often removed regimes that we don't like, such as Saddam, because they don't fit in with our values and standards.
The fact that countries under these regimes manage to function, and tend to fail as a State when those regimes are removed escapes our leaders. De-Ba'athification was a catastrophe, for example, despite stemming from noble aims as removing the "strong men" led to internecine strife and thousands of deaths.
We are now faced with an odious regime being the de facto government of Afghanistan, a country that faces biblical levels of poverty and imminent famine.
Although HMG provides aid (see below) , its sticking a plaster on a sucking chest wound.
HMG and the UN refuse to deal with the Taliban. The UN has imposed asset freezes on Afghanistan. There are no humanitarian exemptions to the sanctions regime placed on the Taliban in 2015.
The UN will provide aid ( see below) but will not unfreeze $9.5 bn of Afghan assets. Aid is not enough, the country is on the edge of collapse and faces tens or even hundreds of thousands of deaths from starvation.
The regime in power is odious to our standards, but we need to face reality and accept the Taliban are in charge. The West spent $3 trillion replacing the Taliban with the Taliban: its time we faced reality and realised that sticking to the high moral ground will lead to deaths on a scale that would make African famines look like detox.
Foreign Secretary pledges to support over 2.7 million Afghans with life-saving aid
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss has pledged £97 million of emergency UK aid to the Afghan people to provide life-saving food and emergency health support.www.gov.uk
UNSC adopts resolution to provide aid to Afghanistan
Resolution says aid will support ‘basic human needs’ and will not violate sanctions imposed on Taliban-linked entities.www.aljazeera.com
What if de-Ba'athification did not happen? I wonder how things would have turned out.
We lost a lot of confidence from this.
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Thye have'nt gone away you know:
www.reuters.com
DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan, Feb 6 (Reuters) - Militants firing from inside Afghanistan killed at least five Pakistani soldiers at a border post in northwestern Kurram district on Sunday, the Pakistan military said, the second such attack since Taliban militants took over Kabul in August.
The army said it retaliated, causing heavy casualties, but independent confirmation was not immediately possible because the districts along the mountainous Afghan border are off limits to journalists and human rights organisations.
“Militants from inside Afghanistan across the international border opened fire on Pakistani troops in Kurram district,” the military’s media wing said in a statement.
The Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), or Pakistan Taliban, which renewed an allegiance with the Afghan Taliban after the fall of Kabul, claimed responsibility for Sunday’s attack.
The Afghan government denied the firing had come from within Afghan territory.
Five Pakistan soldiers killed in attack from Afghanistan, military says
Five Pakistan soldiers killed in attack from Afghanistan, military says
Militants firing from inside Afghanistan killed at least five Pakistani soldiers at a border post in northwestern Kurram district on Sunday, the Pakistan military said, the second such attack since Taliban militants took over Kabul in August.
The army said it retaliated, causing heavy casualties, but independent confirmation was not immediately possible because the districts along the mountainous Afghan border are off limits to journalists and human rights organisations.
“Militants from inside Afghanistan across the international border opened fire on Pakistani troops in Kurram district,” the military’s media wing said in a statement.
The Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), or Pakistan Taliban, which renewed an allegiance with the Afghan Taliban after the fall of Kabul, claimed responsibility for Sunday’s attack.
The Afghan government denied the firing had come from within Afghan territory.
Not a F***ing bit.
Bravo_Bravo
LE
Has zero to do with my point about the impending catastrophe in Afghanistan and the likely deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of utterly innocent civilians.Thye have'nt gone away you know:
Five Pakistan soldiers killed in attack from Afghanistan, military says
DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan, Feb 6 (Reuters) - Militants firing from inside Afghanistan killed at least five Pakistani soldiers at a border post in northwestern Kurram district on Sunday, the Pakistan military said, the second such attack since Taliban militants took over Kabul in August.Five Pakistan soldiers killed in attack from Afghanistan, military says
Militants firing from inside Afghanistan killed at least five Pakistani soldiers at a border post in northwestern Kurram district on Sunday, the Pakistan military said, the second such attack since Taliban militants took over Kabul in August.
The army said it retaliated, causing heavy casualties, but independent confirmation was not immediately possible because the districts along the mountainous Afghan border are off limits to journalists and human rights organisations.
“Militants from inside Afghanistan across the international border opened fire on Pakistani troops in Kurram district,” the military’s media wing said in a statement.
The Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), or Pakistan Taliban, which renewed an allegiance with the Afghan Taliban after the fall of Kabul, claimed responsibility for Sunday’s attack.
The Afghan government denied the firing had come from within Afghan territory.
Best Pakistan and China start sending them aid then. Why is it the west's responsibility? The population of Afghanistan clearly indicated they wanted the west gone and wished to continue their medieval lifestyle.
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LE
As mentioned already on this thread, the problem is the US are using their control of the international banking system to block anyone else from sending aid.
Bravo_Bravo
LE
It's not the West's responsibility per se, but we should engage in order to prevent a catastrophic famine.
Because it's the right thing to do. Berlin airlft refers
And I'm not entirely convinced that the population of Afghanistan want, or wanted to continue a medieval lifestyle.
Bravo_Bravo
LE
Twenty years, ?$3 trillion and thousands of lives to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.
It was broken well before 2001.
And massively more so afterwards.
Dan Gleebles
LE
Highlights the futility of spending time, blood and treasure on the place.
And more chickens are coming in to roost:
www.reuters.com
Several blasts claimed by Islamic State hit the northern cities of Kunduz and Mazar-i-Sharif on Thursday. One of them, at a mosque and another days earlier at a school in western Kabul,
Blast tears through mosque in northern Afghan city Kunduz, killing 33
A blast tore through a Sunni mosque during Friday prayers in the northern Afghan city of Kunduz, killing 33 people and wounding dozens more, officials said.
Blast tears through mosque in northern Afghan city Kunduz, killing 33
A blast tore through a Sunni mosque during Friday prayers in the northern Afghan city of Kunduz, killing 33 people and wounding dozens more, officials said.Several blasts claimed by Islamic State hit the northern cities of Kunduz and Mazar-i-Sharif on Thursday. One of them, at a mosque and another days earlier at a school in western Kabul,
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LE
And more chickens are coming in to roost:
Blast tears through mosque in northern Afghan city Kunduz, killing 33
A blast tore through a Sunni mosque during Friday prayers in the northern Afghan city of Kunduz, killing 33 people and wounding dozens more, officials said.Blast tears through mosque in northern Afghan city Kunduz, killing 33
A blast tore through a Sunni mosque during Friday prayers in the northern Afghan city of Kunduz, killing 33 people and wounding dozens more, officials said.
Several blasts claimed by Islamic State hit the northern cities of Kunduz and Mazar-i-Sharif on Thursday. One of them, at a mosque and another days earlier at a school in western Kabul,
Morning @miner69er,
From today's local 'comic'.
oooh seems Pakistan has been overstepping the mark
www.reuters.com
Afghanistan will not tolerate 'invasions,' defense minister says
Afghanistan's acting defence minister said on Sunday that the Taliban administration would not tolerate "invasions" from its neighours after protesting against airstrikes it says were conducted by neighbouring Pakistan.
Afghanistan will not tolerate 'invasions,' defense minister says
KABUL, April 24 (Reuters) - Afghanistan's acting defence minister said on Sunday that the Taliban administration would not tolerate "invasions" from its neighours after protesting against airstrikes it says were conducted by neighbouring Pakistan.
The Taliban falling out with Pakistan brings a certain, oh I dunno, something. Irony maybe?oooh seems Pakistan has been overstepping the mark
Afghanistan will not tolerate 'invasions,' defense minister says
Afghanistan's acting defence minister said on Sunday that the Taliban administration would not tolerate "invasions" from its neighours after protesting against airstrikes it says were conducted by neighbouring Pakistan.
Afghanistan will not tolerate 'invasions,' defense minister says
KABUL, April 24 (Reuters) - Afghanistan's acting defence minister said on Sunday that the Taliban administration would not tolerate "invasions" from its neighours after protesting against airstrikes it says were conducted by neighbouring Pakistan.
Blast kills more than 50 at Kabul mosque, its leader says
The explosion is the latest in a series of attacks on civilian targets in Afghanistan during the holy month of Ramadan.
Blast kills more than 50 at Kabul mosque, its leader says
KABUL, April 29 (Reuters) - A powerful explosion killed more than 50 worshippers after Friday prayers at a Kabul mosque, its leader said, the latest in a series of attacks on civilian targets in Afghanistan during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.The blast hit the Khalifa Sahib Mosque in the west of the capital in the early afternoon, said Besmullah Habib, deputy spokesman for the interior ministry, who said the official confirmed death toll was 10.
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