Time to Emigrate?

Is it time to emigrate?

  • Yes, this country is no longer 'Britain'

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  • No, dear old Blighty will muffle through somehow!

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  • Not sure, will see in a few years.

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#1
I am currently reading a thoroughly depressing book by George Walden, a former tory education minister, about the state of the UK. It takes the form of a letter to his son, who is thinking of emigrating. So far, there's not one of his observations that I can call untrue. Basically his premise is that the UK if fcuked, lost in a morass of an increasing underclass, low expectations, unassimilable immigrants we can't or won't keep out, rising taxes and increasing racial and religious tension. Left and right are equally to blame.

It's always struck me as funny that the Left bangs on about immigrants rights, etc, yet ultimately it's business and the rich who benefit from a cheap supply of labour, whilst the indiginous workforce Labour is supposed to represent is priced out of the market.

So, is it time to emigrate?
 
#2
I can see your point, other countries also have their immigration and social issues.
 
#3
True enough. The UK's multiculturalism policy has failed, resulting in ghettos, racial tension and bombings. France's assimmilation policy has failed, resulting in ghettos, racial tensions and riots.
 
#4
AndyPipkin said:
True enough. The UK's multiculturalism policy has failed, resulting in ghettos, racial tension and bombings. France's assimmilation policy has failed, resulting in ghettos, racial tensions and riots.
Not to mention all those Brits going over there, not learning the language, putting up all the house prices - and isn't it happening in Spain as well??? Aren't they getting a llittle Englanders tag???
 
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#5
You make some good points but seem to be assuming that Labour represent a left of centre viewpoint. Traditionally the left-wing Labour Party did represent the workers, New Labour only represent themselves. Old Labour supported principles but were out-manoeuvred for 18 years. New Labour sold out and have only one principle, do whatever it takes to stay in power.

There is virtually no altruistic principle left in UK political life. Tony has shamelessly taken us to war based on lies and is now working solely on his own legacy. He will never attain the greatness of Margaret Thatcher as her success was based on principle. I hated her at the time but her legacy of principled leadership is a stark contrast to our current spineless, media driven masters.

By the way, your point ref the rich benefitting from cheap foreign labour is exactly right.
 
#6
Walden makes the point that the Tories, after a soujourn into ideologically driven belief-politics under Thatcher, are returning to their pragmatist, patrician roots under Cameron. No policies whatsoever, but seems a decent sort of chap. Went to Eton, don't you know?
 
#7
AP - I'd miss the UK (with all its faults!) too much,

Saying that, I am very happy living in the north east, rather than the UK in general. I would possibly prefer to emigrate to Aus/NZ/Can rather than have to live in some parts of the UK....

Ratcatcher
 
#8
Not too happy around Tyneside tonight, unfortunately:(

You have a point. I can't wait to get up to my parents' small village in Durham for Xmas and out of London.
 

Nehustan

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#9
AndyPipkin said:
Not too happy around Tyneside tonight, unfortunately:(

You have a point. I can't wait to get up to my parents' small village in Durham for Xmas and out of London.
Beaten by Chelsea...tho' not badly? Where are you thinking of going? Sunderland? :wink:
 
#10
Mr_Logic said:
You make some good points but seem to be assuming that Labour represent a left of centre viewpoint. Traditionally the left-wing Labour Party did represent the workers, New Labour only represent themselves. Old Labour supported principles but were out-manoeuvred for 18 years. New Labour sold out and have only one principle, do whatever it takes to stay in power.

There is virtually no altruistic principle left in UK political life. Tony has shamelessly taken us to war based on lies and is now working solely on his own legacy. He will never attain the greatness of Margaret Thatcher as her success was based on principle. I hated her at the time but her legacy of principled leadership is a stark contrast to our current spineless, media driven masters.

By the way, your point ref the rich benefitting from cheap foreign labour is exactly right.

I don't know from Art, but I know what I like. I'm very tempted to head for Madeira. It's the headmistresses with their twenty new laws a day in this once-confident country who p*ss me off. Plus all the Africans and Asians and Eastern Europeans who seem to think that it's their right to live here. F 'em all.

Might go to the Republic of Ireland, mind. I'm told they're still mostly Celts there. Maybe they'll take a Jewish Scot like me.
 
#11
AndyPipkin said:
I am currently reading a thoroughly depressing book by George Walden, a former tory education minister, about the state of the UK.
If you want to get really suicidal, read "A Land Fit For Criminals" by David Fraser, a retired probation officer.
 
#12
time to emigrate would be 1965ish when AUS/NZ/US/ CDN was more open to UK people and there was that glimmer of Empire still around. UK suffered from bouts of communism when labour was in in and national identity problems when the weak Heath led conservatives were in.Grateful I never really had to live there
 
#13
In 20 years or so I can forsee Britain or one of its near neibours opting for the ethnic cleansing route if current trends (sh*tting on indigenous occupants for the sake of PC) continue..
 
#14
Dont even think about coming to Australia, we have the same problems here. You would need atleast a degree or good trade to be considered unless your some sort of ethnic minority! then we will welcome you in and pay for you to stay here, hey you dont even need to learn English!
 
#15
Andy. It is a strange question for an English nationalist. If I were an Englishman then I would never, never, never emigrate.
 
#16
A short time ago, our beloved Mr Blair was parading a young Asian lady in front of the cameras, declaring that she is a future Prime Minister. The UK has had a number of settlers from all around the world taking up various roles at very high levels in Governmental posts including Immigration, probation, police, MOD Etc. UK has some very odd rules that may be paramount to positive discrimination. The UK is an easy place to settle as we have made the rules easy to bend and we encourage settlers to get off their backside and make a life for themselves, and at the same time encourage our dole scroungers to stay at home a live off of people’s taxes. We have the same pros and Con's concerning taxes, refugees, government in general, 'ghettos', race and religion that other Countries have. WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DECIDE WHAT ENGLAND IS AND HOW IT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.
No, it’s not a time to emigrate!
 
#17
WasMe said:
A short time ago, our beloved Mr Blair was parading a young Asian lady in front of the cameras, declaring that she is a future Prime Minister. The UK has had a number of settlers from all around the world taking up various roles at very high levels in Governmental posts including Immigration, probation, police, MOD Etc. UK has some very odd rules that may be paramount to positive discrimination. The UK is an easy place to settle as we have made the rules easy to bend and we encourage settlers to get off their backside and make a life for themselves, and at the same time encourage our dole scroungers to stay at home a live off of people’s taxes. We have the same pros and Con's concerning taxes, refugees, government in general, 'ghettos', race and religion that other Countries have. WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DECIDE WHAT ENGLAND IS AND HOW IT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.
No, it’s not a time to emigrate!
Why on earth not - I take it this young asian lady had been born in this country. Not so long ago we had the choice of a Romanian and I bellieve he faught his leadership battle with a spaniard
 
#18
It doesn't matter if she (or he) was born in this Country. As long as one holds a British Passport one can hold office. If you look at the local MPs for certain areas in the North, many of them are settlers from around the world.
Accept it.
 
#19
WasMe said:
It doesn't matter if she (or he) was born in this Country. As long as one holds a British Passport one can hold office. If you look at the local MPs for certain areas in the North, many of them are settlers from around the world.
Accept it.
I don't mind in the least, so long as it isn't Frizzi Patel
 

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#20
Been thinking of leaving for a while now. The only problem is that mrs utg wants to settle in the Independent Republic of Yorkshire and I want to go to Australia - however, the thinking is the same - we don't want to settle in England!
 

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