Time to crack a few skulls

#1
these young offenders shouldn't be committing crime in the first place, IMO I think they are just kicking off cos they know they can get compo for bad crowded cells, crap prison food and get away with it, :frustrated: they have already left one warden with a fractured skull, no excuses at all for that, I say send in SO1 and crack some skulls :threaten: :threaten: :threaten: , no comebacks all locked in cells, no prevliges, no reduced time, only 1 out at a time, if they want to go to toilet see a Doc, make an appointment and take a number wait your turn !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6402675.stm

may some time in Abu Gharab will make them realise how soft their prison really is
 
#2
Time to crack more skulls by the look of things.

Send in whoever and no Countdown for them this afternoon.
 
#3
Yes, let's brutalize them some more, so that they become unmanageable in prison and bitter, resentful and unruly once released. This is not the answer. Glib and attractive to those who describe themselves as to the right of Genghis Khan maybe?

The answer is to return to the Victorian prison system. The redemptive power of hard labour and the controlling influences of the "panopticon" system of supervision and accompanying architecture will work wonders! Human rights, access to controlled substances, conjugal visits can all be kicked into touch for the period of the prisoners incarceration. Nourishing food, improving books (Samuel Smiles' On Self-help for example) and honest labour involving a lot of sweat and a genuine good for the community. Treadmills powering turbines for example would be seen as beneficial and effective.
 
#4
Cuddles said:
Yes, let's brutalize them some more, so that they become unmanageable in prison and bitter, resentful and unruly once released. This is not the answer. Glib and attractive to those who describe themselves as to the right of Genghis Khan maybe?

The answer is to return to the Victorian prison system. The redemptive power of hard labour and the controlling influences of the "panopticon" system of supervision and accompanying architecture will work wonders! Human rights, access to controlled substances, conjugal visits can all be kicked into touch for the period of the prisoners incarceration. Nourishing food, improving books (Samuel Smiles' On Self-help for example) and honest labour involving a lot of sweat and a genuine good for the community. Treadmills powering turbines for example would be seen as beneficial and effective.
Spot on Cuddles, prisons have lost the ability to punish and to reform behaviour. I was called mad when I told my friends that they should hook up treadmills to the national grid for cheep power. It's a renewable power source after all!
 
#5
"RANT ON"

I've said it before, let them do time in the communities that they committed the crimes in.

Make them wear honking bright yellow jumpsuits with their crime emblazoned across the back, and they do hard labour in the community prior to their being taken back to their luxury free, yet warm and secure jail for the night.

They get three squares a day, and a roof over their head in return they are given a redemptive sense of purpose. That is for open prison obviously.

If they are max security then - for instance - they go to a godforsaken quarry on dartmoor and break rocks. Any re-offence whilst inside gets the mandatory minimum sentence added on to the end of their current one, and a posting to max security, as they obviously can't be trusted in open conditions.

Visitation rights become visitation privileges, one which has to be earned and kept. I think I am right in saying that it tends to be visitors who get a lot of the drugs into the jails in the first place (although I am sure there are members who can put me right on this :thumright: ).

Prison should be a place that people don't want to go back to. Equally Prisoners should be shown that by dint of hard work and keeping their nose clean they can earn privileges and respect within the system, thereby (hopefully) conditioning their behaviour when they get out. Prisoners who live by the rules should be given every assistance to rehabilitate, those who dont - well keep em banged up in a system that gradually reduces their comfort levels. Everybody has a point that you reach and say "this just isn't worth it anymore". The trick is to find that level for our inmates.

RANT OFF
 
#6
Cuddles said:
Yes, let's brutalize them some more, so that they become unmanageable in prison and bitter, resentful and unruly once released. This is not the answer. Glib and attractive to those who describe themselves as to the right of Genghis Khan maybe?

The answer is to return to the Victorian prison system. The redemptive power of hard labour and the controlling influences of the "panopticon" system of supervision and accompanying architecture will work wonders! Human rights, access to controlled substances, conjugal visits can all be kicked into touch for the period of the prisoners incarceration. Nourishing food, improving books (Samuel Smiles' On Self-help for example) and honest labour involving a lot of sweat and a genuine good for the community. Treadmills powering turbines for example would be seen as beneficial and effective.
I dont want to be a killjoy. I agree with what you say. How would you implement it?
If they are on the treadmill for instance and say "I am a bit knacked and cant do anymore" what would you do?

The devil is in the details.
 
#7
Brads_REME said:
If they are on the treadmill for instance and say "I am a bit knacked and cant do anymore" what would you do?
I'm sure there would be a SNCO type ready quip for this sort of situation.
 
#8
Reference the link, this quote:-

Helen Attewell of the crime reduction campaign, SmartJustice, said less petty criminals should be sent to jail.

Agreed! Criminals who are less petty, and therefore more serious in their illegal endeavours, SHOULD be sent to jail!

:thumright:
 
#9
Work sets you free ! Have i heard this somewhere before ?
Flood the prisons when they riot and set them alight, let the water out a couple of days later and refill them with live prisoners to remove the bodies.
Harsh but fair.
 
#10
Brads_REME said:
I dont want to be a killjoy. I agree with what you say. How would you implement it?
If they are on the treadmill for instance and say "I am a bit knacked and cant do anymore" what would you do?

The devil is in the details.
Very true. They would be medically examined and if fit to continue they would be "compelled" to do so. Just like in the good old days of BTC at POW Division (and I'm sure many others too) Depot! I thought I couldn't do another lap of the assault course but how wrong I was!!

Edited to add:
Obviously you can't make them do it but you can make them wish they had! No work means minimum life support and another form of redemptive training. victorian Prison plumbing doesn't clean itself out you know...
 
#11
Brads_REME said:
I dont want to be a killjoy. I agree with what you say. How would you implement it?
If they are on the treadmill for instance and say "I am a bit knacked and cant do anymore" what would you do?

The devil is in the details.
Electric cattle prods.
 
#13
Not forgetting to post the video on YouTube.
 
#14
Brads_REME said:
Cuddles said:
Yes, let's brutalize them some more, so that they become unmanageable in prison and bitter, resentful and unruly once released. This is not the answer. Glib and attractive to those who describe themselves as to the right of Genghis Khan maybe?

The answer is to return to the Victorian prison system. The redemptive power of hard labour and the controlling influences of the "panopticon" system of supervision and accompanying architecture will work wonders! Human rights, access to controlled substances, conjugal visits can all be kicked into touch for the period of the prisoners incarceration. Nourishing food, improving books (Samuel Smiles' On Self-help for example) and honest labour involving a lot of sweat and a genuine good for the community. Treadmills powering turbines for example would be seen as beneficial and effective.
I dont want to be a killjoy. I agree with what you say. How would you implement it?
If they are on the treadmill for instance and say "I am a bit knacked and cant do anymore" what would you do?

The devil is in the details.
Pretty simple. X hours (or X amount of output) on the treadmill equals Y reward.

Don't reach the required amount then you don't get what ever is set as the reward. ie food, rest, TV time, visits whatever.

Make them want to stay on. :twisted:
 
#15
Brads_REME said:
I dont want to be a killjoy. I agree with what you say. How would you implement it?
If they are on the treadmill for instance and say "I am a bit knacked and cant do anymore" what would you do?

The devil is in the details.
Your're correct that has to be the individual's choice

Don't want to work, solitary cell with integral toilet/washing facilites and the world service piped in for your entertainment during "daylight" hours. Silence and darkeness at all others.

You want to work you get allowed out to work.

You work well you get to change the channel, get reading materials, etc.

Sometimes the work/reward thing has to be taught from a fairly primitive level, doesn't mean it can't be done humanely.
 
#16
So, really we are talking about an unworkable system as the lawyers would be all over you lot in seconds.........

Face it, WE ARE FOOKED.
 
#17
Brads_REME said:
So, really we are talking about an unworkable system as the lawyers would be all over you lot in seconds.........

Face it, WE ARE FOOKED.
So trial the system using the lawyers. Get all the bugs out first - how many hours on the treadmill a man can do before he expires, how long he can hold his breath immersed in a septic tank, that sort of thing.

"Hanging all the lawyers might not solve all America's problems, but it would be a great deal of fun and could harm no-one" - Samuel Clemens
 
#18
The government could simply put the short of exempt status on the new reformed prison system as they do on the armed forces. If necessary prisoners could be conscripted for the period of their sentence.

STOP TELLING ME WHY IT WON'T WORK AND TELL ME HOW TO MAKE IT WORK!!!!
 
#19
This is who we need in this country

IS THIS YOUR KIND OF MAN?

TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF( ARIZONA ) AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

These are some of the reasons why:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the "tent city jail" to save Arizona from spending tens of million of dollars on another expensive prison complex.

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them .

He banned smoking and porno magazines in the jails, and took away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but "G" movies. He says: "they're in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault innocent people when they leave."

He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county and city projects and save taxpayer's money. Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination .

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel. When asked why the weather channel he replied: "so these morons will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs."

He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is therefore a waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."

He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series that actually tells the truth for a change would be welcome and that it might even explain why 95% of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record for June 2nd), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed- wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were chatting in the tents , where temperatures reached 128 degrees. "This is hell. It feels like we live in a furnace," said Ernesto Gonzales, an inmate for 2 years with 10 more to go. "It's inhumane." Joe Arpaio , who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. "Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for parole, only to go out and commit more crimes so they can come back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things many taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves."

Wednesday he told all the inmates who were complaining of the heat in the tents : "It's between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to walk all day in the sun, wearing full battle gear and get shot at, and they have not committed any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"

Once more Sheriff Joe was re-elected Sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona
 
#20
Cuddles said:
The government could simply put the short of exempt status on the new reformed prison system as they do on the armed forces. If necessary prisoners could be conscripted for the period of their sentence.

STOP TELLING ME WHY IT WON'T WORK AND TELL ME HOW TO MAKE IT WORK!!!!
I am not telling you why it wont work. It will work. I am telling you why it wont get implemented. Oh and another thing while we are at it, The EU.
 

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