time off???. is there such a thing anymore????

#1
There was a time, not so long ago, that wednesday afternoons were gauranteed for sports, friday was poets day, and weekday pt was priority. What I mean is, that of the last few units I have served with, all of them have required me to slog my guts out for no reward and no routine or time to enjoy the army. Is this a result of 'yes men' or weak minded bosses coming through the system or undermanning?.
what is the general consensus??????
 
#2
Your in the Army now son!
 
#4
Threaders me auld I'm afraid SWA has got it right - THIS IS todays modern ARMY! Over-stretch, lack of money, shite kit, I could bore you all day with the reasons why I'm EXTREMELY happy that I only have 3.5 years left.............................
 
#6
I agree with threaders-Vermin, at my first unit the 10 O'clock start on mon, sports afternoon and finish at 1 on a fri was the norm and then right from under our noses it slowly vanished, I think its a mix of your points above, but mostly the current lack of man power is to blame. I belive these luxurys are probably only lived out at smaller units now?

Edited as one of my crayons snapped
 
#7
Take2 said:
I agree with threaders-Vermin, at my first unit the 10 O'clock start on mon, sports afternoon and finish at 1 on a fri was the norm and then right from under our noses it slowly vanished, I think its a mix of your points above, but mostly the current lack of man power is to blame. I belive these luxurys are probably only lived out at smaller units now?

Edited as one of my crayons snapped
Aaaw fcukin didums! Have to work all the hours that you are paid for then.. Never mind I am sure the nice tax man can take some more money off the blackoneleggedmidgetlesbian outreach centre to pay for your time off.


:D I am so fcuking glad I got out while BFG was still a good place to be posted and before the sandpit opened for business :D
 
#9
I dont mind working hard, but always working hard with no reward whats-so-ever is some what frustraiting, the odd perk isnt going to hurt and will often increase the lads morale and therefore increase their production. 'Work hard, play hard'
Grinding the guys into the floor everyday is a line to self destruction, hence the lack of soldiers now suffered by the army, catch 22 less soldiers more work etc etc
The Army should concerntrate on getting the lads that are left happy, before they all leave too.
 
#10
I'd be interested in knowing how thats going to happen.................
 
#11
This requires both the leaders and the lead to make it happen. You can organise sport, but then no-one wants to play. Organise trips, no-one wants to leave their rooms, organise learning opportunities, sailing, skiing, windsurfing etc but it all costs too much.

So what should happen is that Units should pull together and get sorted, not sit around moaning about how crap everthing is. Tell your staffy, drop this message in an in tray!!
 
#12
Outstanding said:
This requires both the leaders and the lead to make it happen. You can organise sport, but then no-one wants to play. Organise trips, no-one wants to leave their rooms, organise learning opportunities, sailing, skiing, windsurfing etc but it all costs too much.

So what should happen is that Units should pull together and get sorted, not sit around moaning about how crap everthing is. Tell your staffy, drop this message in an in tray!!
My BOLD

'Cos we all know that your Staffy is far enough up the food chain to sort this one out - get real he's too feckin busy sorting your REC charts and PDR out, or any other bone pointless b@llocks that the ASM/OC/EME chuck at him cos he had a smile on his face last week. This is a CORPS problem and needs to be tackled from much higher up than any of us proles that post on here. In addition to that its pretty fair in my opinion to have the units we support share some of the blame - if they didnt insist on having 100% of the kit they own on the road whan they can only man 50% (and if thats not true why are they always moaning about being under-feckin-manned then?), then my lot would have had a damn sight more than 5 days in the last 45 at 'normal' hours as opposed to overtime.

Theres a lot more to this than my simplistic rantings, but beleive me, its not going to change anytime soon, so get used to it - the days of that cnut 'Frank' on his wind-surfer are long gone..........

BS
 
#14
3 weeks of not being on scheme or over-time would be like 3 weeks off to my lot, but, well done to you sah, well done!
 
#15
i remember being on overtime, probably the closest i camt to crying cus it lasted 3 fcuking years!!

glad i transferred out, the REME was funnier when we got paid more, now we dont so why work harder than everyone else?

there's easier things to do out there
 
#16
If the reggy MT drivers cannot drive because they are over hours, especially when there is a unit collect on the go. Surely there is a similar limit for REME tradesmen? After all if it is deemed unsafe to drive after a certain period of time, then logically there must also be time time limits for tradesmen repairing the wagons. We all know that with the onset of fatigue mistakes start to be made. Will it take a crafty losing a limb at 2100 hrs because he has been working since 0700 for the fifth day in a row?
 
#17
I think its the same Army wide now no matter what unit you are from . X factor is a thing of the past i.e. u do all this but you get this in return.The playstation generation is in,and they are getting through the ranks fast now no experiance = kiss asses yes sir no sir 3 bags full sir .

Like has been said before , too much time is spent on bollocks like PDR etc . Remember the old days when you would say things to a trooper that was considering signing off , along the lines off what civvy street employer would give you the afternoon off with full pay and no notice to take your budgie to the vets cos it got fever type thing . it just does not happen anymore.

In my Unit if we need time off say a morning to take your car for an MOT we have to fill out a leave pass. The days of work hard play hard , and buckshee time off are a thing of the past .

The Army is now a massive big cuddles IIP-DUTY OF CARE-EO-HEALTH AND SAFTEY , Paper work chase ,and they get every last Ounce of sweat out of you , i dont mind working for my money, which i think the british forces do as a whole but the benefits that used to be there are all gone now.

The work we do on ops isnt what yer average shelf stacker in tescos would put up with , so i think the perks we used to have were legitimate.

Just my point of view :D
 
#18
Sports afternoons at my unit are COs parades!! Every Wednesday. Fantastic, this isn't of course always a good thing, i wouldn't call this a perk, it is a tradition and i fully believe managers at any level should keep pushing this tradition, what i don't agree with is how DOWNGRADED personnel are treated differently, and because of their injury are not allowed/can not play sport.

UP WITH THE SPORTY, if not for you for your soldiers.
 
#19
The job Evaluation team are coming to town. They want to see if it is justified to give crafties and artisan staffies higher band. Great!

The pissoir is that REME sergeants are loking to be fcucked off on to the lower band. This i believe will be the straw that breaks a full screws back. They will never give artisan staffies higher band, crafties maybe, if only to keep them from signing off. So an 8 year full screw who has just failed the PAAB and realises that he will be on lower band for the rest of his army life when he gets his third will really act as a motivator for him!

He will have enoygh time left to transfer to another badge on higher band and get more pension. If I was in that position I would do the same. Much as i love it, if I am having to work hard, work hard and work hard again while someone else is watching Bn Rugby before going home then it will make me question my commitment. In short why am I being treated like a tw@t while he gets the same wage for doing less?

After all we are only human at the end of the day.
 
#20
gundog said:
He will have enoygh time left to transfer to another badge on higher band and get more pension.
He can transfer to a another cap badge on the same lower pay band but have a much better chance of being promoted beyond Staffy too!
The Elusive Stop the Prols from Rioting Artisan WO2 posts are only there to calm down the litigation twitchers lets be honest.
If you have flown to Sgt and only really see an Artisan Staffy job as yours in the rest of your years in, then do one guys, this Corps is not going to give you something shiny and the end of your time.
You have a Twenty plus career on the outside after the Army.
Better in my opinion to serve your last ten or so(maybe on the lower pay band) in another cap badge and reap the benefits of a Warrant Pension or more than get a few more quid a day and end up with a Sgt/SSgt pension here.

(God that orange box is high)

Ps Tiffster is all about the cash/better pension
Dont lie to yourselves
 

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