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Time for national citizenship service?

#1
Time for national citizenship service?

NOT military, although I imagine the shear size of the organisation suggested, would be organised along lines that we recognise.

Get past the inevitable, initial, knee-jerk reaction to the bloke's politics, and give him the 3mins 43secs he takes to describe the idea in the LINK below! (Remember his own party have already sacked him as a Minister, for being too radical).

BBC TWO Daily Politics - Tuesday said:
Labour MP Frank Field thinks it is time to introduce a compulsory national citizenship programme for 16 to 25-year-olds.

It would mean young people working on community projects such as helping out on environmental schemes or mentoring in schools.

He discussed his plans in the studio with Jon Gaunt.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/the_daily_politics/7907924.stm
 
#4
I came up with this ages ago!!

Admittedly some people went wet and liberal when I suggested service was tied to the vote.

The interviewer vexes me, if she got her letter and wouldn´t get up, what would I do? Walk in to her fcuking house, turn her bed over and burn it and then kick down the stairs... job jobbed.

Make it simple for those who might decide staying in bed is more fun.... no citizen service = no fcuking dole.

Tie citizenship in to the schools...

ie. Literacy and Numeracy. English must be spoken.
Civics lesssons on Great Britains history, laws and society.... ie our general "Greatness!".
One afternoon of service per week for a one term. (My school did this).
Attain the Duke of Edinburgh´s award at Bronze (maybe Silver) level.

Followed by a two year National Service (not all military).

Works for me.
 
#5
chocolate_frog said:
I came up with this ages ago!!

Admittedly some people went wet and liberal when I suggested service was tied to the vote.

The interviewer vexes me, if she got her letter and wouldn´t get up, what would I do? Walk in to her fcuking house, turn her bed over and burn it and then kick down the stairs... job jobbed.

Make it simple for those who might decide staying in bed is more fun.... no citizen service = no fcuking dole.

Tie citizenship in to the schools...

ie. Literacy and Numeracy. English must be spoken.
Civics lesssons on Great Britains history, laws and society.... ie our general "Greatness!".
One afternoon of service per week for a one term. (My school did this).
Attain the Duke of Edinburgh´s award at Bronze (maybe Silver) level.

Followed by a two year National Service (not all military).

Works for me.
I'd go with all of that except the two year service bit. Six months would be enough, non-military. The key benefit would be to get people out of their ghettoes and mixing with people from all over the contry. Put them in group accommodation renovating canals or cleaning hospitals, start work at 8, 6 days a week, and get them to tired to go drinking or fighting , during the week at least.

If you want any form of social cohesion in this country then people have got to mix, at an early age. This sort of scheme would force it to happen, where it will never happen voluntarily.
 
#6
chocolate_frog said:
I came up with this ages ago!!

Admittedly some people went wet and liberal when I suggested service was tied to the vote.
"Service guarantees citizenship"

Just like in starship troopers. :D
 
#7
chocolate_frog said:
I came up with this ages ago!!

Admittedly some people went wet and liberal when I suggested service was tied to the vote.
Evening "chocolate_frog". Have you got a LINK please?

I did do a search on ARRSE for "national service" - before posting - and, didn't find anything similar. If appropriate I will ask the MODS to merge the threads. RCT(V).
 
#9
Could be wrong but didn't the Boxheads have something like this for people that didn't want to go into the Bundeswehr back when they had conscription? Either way whilst it might have some useful benefits it's something that just doesn't sit right with me introducing it over here.
 
#10
"Service guarantees citizenship"

Just like in starship troopers.
Nope like the real world with the USA open to everybody from any country can serve in the Mil and then get citizenship. (if their security is oK) :D

Speaking to a RAF chap -12 yr Cpl (flyer) he was looking to cross over to the US AF as are many of his mates. Sick of Op tours and shite pay and conditions and the other side of the pond is looking better and better then UK I guess.
 
#11
good idea and lets face facts the pwoers that be need to find something for the young to do as there arent any jobs for them now the eastern europeans do them!!

They can fiddle the unemployment figures as they people will not be unemployed making things look rosey ...........

On a plus side it would teach the young new skills and such old out dated consepts like social responcibilty - self respect and pride - and heres where the do gooders will bemoan the loudest self discipline ..............

Of course we all know that as soon as its made really all the various "groups" will kick up a fuss and as such the muslims will be excused on religious grounds and the wesy indians on racist grounds and the poles on lack of vodka grounds - meaning only working class white kids will end up being sucked in ..........
 
#13
chocolate_frog said:
Chavalryman said:
chocolate_frog said:
I came up with this ages ago!!

Admittedly some people went wet and liberal when I suggested service was tied to the vote.
"Service guarantees citizenship"

Just like in starship troopers. :D
The book or the film?
I would like to say the book...but have not been able to locate one in my local waterstones, though I hear it's good.

But the film is such a classic - so many scenes of cinematic genius :D

In all seriousness, I do take your point about tieing the vote to some sort of (community?) service. IMHO I think it's a great way to demonstrate the notion that every citizen has to earn certain rights by being responsible in the first place.
 
#14
Chavalryman said:
chocolate_frog said:
Chavalryman said:
chocolate_frog said:
I came up with this ages ago!!

Admittedly some people went wet and liberal when I suggested service was tied to the vote.
"Service guarantees citizenship"

Just like in starship troopers. :D
The book or the film?
I would like to say the book...but have not been able to locate one in my local waterstones, though I hear it's good.

But the film is such a classic - so many scenes of cinematic genius :D

In all seriousness, I do take your point about tieing the vote to some sort of (community?) service. IMHO I think it's a great way to demonstrate the notion that every citizen has to earn certain rights by being responsible in the first place.
My bold.
Order it from Amazon:

Starship Troopers book on Amazon
 
#15
Amazon is the way ahead.... i tis a good book.

The film wasn´t bad but didn´t explore the concepts raised as much as it showed boobies in co-ed showers (something else we could bring in? :D )

One problem straight off, is that if you only give citizenship to those who serve, you can´t deny them the chance to serve.... ie we have to find jobs to do.

Re getting out of it.

Er no. No exclusions. Disabled, abled, black or green, rich or poor. Rupert and co would merely find a stint waiting for them on their return.
 
#17
It disturbs me how old I feel when I use the phrase the youth of today, but considering the general hideous behaviour of the majority growing up these days I'm all for it. My neighbour claims his grandsons are little angels who never put a foot wrong - yet in my opinion (having been leaving school as a few were starting) they are badly behaved little oiks who need to be sorted out, if they were angels one of them wouldn't be proud owner of the chrished by chav culture award the ASBO.

National service or citizenship service can only be a good thing as far as I can see and might be an assistance to some parents who seem to not be able to control their children.
 
#18
emski said:
It disturbs me how old I feel when I use the phrase the youth of today, but considering the general hideous behaviour of the majority growing up these days I'm all for it. My neighbour claims his grandsons are little angels who never put a foot wrong - yet in my opinion (having been leaving school as a few were starting) they are badly behaved little oiks who need to be sorted out, if they were angels one of them wouldn't be proud owner of the chrished by chav culture award the ASBO.

National service or citizenship service can only be a good thing as far as I can see and might be an assistance to some parents who seem to not be able to control their children.

They'd be on it too if I got my way, since they're part of the problem.
 
#19
BarkingSpider said:
Chavalryman said:
chocolate_frog said:
Chavalryman said:
chocolate_frog said:
I came up with this ages ago!!

Admittedly some people went wet and liberal when I suggested service was tied to the vote.
"Service guarantees citizenship"

Just like in starship troopers. :D
The book or the film?
I would like to say the book...but have not been able to locate one in my local waterstones, though I hear it's good.

But the film is such a classic - so many scenes of cinematic genius :D

In all seriousness, I do take your point about tieing the vote to some sort of (community?) service. IMHO I think it's a great way to demonstrate the notion that every citizen has to earn certain rights by being responsible in the first place.
My bold.
Order it from Amazon:

Starship Troopers book on Amazon
Thanks for the link BS.

A copy has been ordered and I look forward to reading it.

Nice avatar by the way ! :D
 

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