Time for another Apache bashing thread on pprune

#1
"3 more Apache pilots resign

Rumour at Shawbury is 3 experienced Apache pilots have resigned.

Is life that bad in the apache world or were these 3 at a natural break point?

will there be slots for more exchanges? I know the NAvy have one, isn't it time the RAF got a look in?

or looking at the exit numbers should i stay away?"




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#2
I don't find anything surprising in the fact that 3 helicopter pilots are leaving the Army. This may come as a bit of a surprise to some, but there is indeed (wait for it.....) life AFTER the Armed Forces. I know, reading that out loud to yourself may come as a bit of a shock to the system, but it is indeed quite true. I read that thread earlier tonight and laughed at it. Just another crab baiting squaddies. Not exactly front page news.
 
#5
My point exactly!

http://www.atil.co.uk/vacancies.htm

FLIGHT SIMULATOR INSTRUCTORS who are ex-military pilots QHIs and ideally have simulator instruction experience. It is expected that successful candidates will be at the end of a full and successful military career.

Of course Lee, don't forget the pension on top of that!

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#7
MG,

Let them sign off first before telling them that.
It wouldn't be the first time I've heard that ATIL had someone sign off on the promise of a job and then keep them waiting for the 'actual' job to become available. Which ended up in not appearing even after 6 months. Might just have been those early days though.

My son can fly a simulator, but you still can't beat the real thing.
60k to give up flying, you're having a laugh!!!

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#9
Silo

I hear that ATIL actually have a civie (Ex AAC QHI) flying the real Apache around Middle Wallop. I wonder if . . .

And I should point out that you cannot fly a simultor, it is generally bolted to the floor. Though I do believe you can simulate flying in a simultor !!
 
#10
MPS man how very shrewd..are you implying that ATIL take over 673 as instructors on CTT? That would then free up all those QHI at wallop to get out into the field. Or maybe they might just all sign off and do it as civvies.

What came first? The civvy or the squaddy?

Muttley Out
 
#13
Muttley said:
Or maybe they might just all sign off and do it as civvies.

Muttley Out
Would that ever happen Muttley, I suspect that many would probably have to pay back lots of bounty pennies, earned by being aircrew in the Army.
 
#14
Hardly mpsman.. £18k (after tax for NCO aircrew) here or there isn't going to make much difference in an aviation career. A lot of people have put that money away earning interest so that WHEN they pay it back they might have earned a few quid, some haven't even bothered claiming it. I'm sure that if the right job came along most people wouldn't find it too difficult to pay any FRI payments back, they would just have to sell the yacht or rent out one of their residences.
 
#15
£18K was that it, Pah I thought they had recieved a decent payment. I can understand why some have not bothered to claim. It is hardly worth the effort to pen the paperwork.

And I thought there was money to be made in aviation !!
 
#16
Pocoyo said:
Hardly mpsman.. £18k (after tax for NCO aircrew) here or there isn't going to make much difference in an aviation career. A lot of people have put that money away earning interest so that WHEN they pay it back they might have earned a few quid, some haven't even bothered claiming it. I'm sure that if the right job came along most people wouldn't find it too difficult to pay any FRI payments back, they would just have to sell the yacht or rent out one of their residences.
What fool would turn down £18000 for doing something he likes doing, and being mollycoddled whilst doing it
 
#17
Bit of a moot point anyway Sven, as they're going this year!! Works out at 300 quid a month. If you are looking at leaving with 5 years to push would it change your mind. Doubt it. No one would deny it's a great job...Truth is i would do it for free, it's the undermanning, inability to say "no, Sir thats not possible we are stretched as it is" side of life that i get paid for. Who doesn't?!! :x :) :D
 
#18
I know of at least one Officer who didn't claim his, and that would of been £50k before tax. Not sure of the reasons but I know it caused a bit of head scratching in the halls of power. The impression I got was that he just forgot!!! Oh to be able to "forget" about £50k.

Just to clarify, I'm sure that since he has been reminded he has claimed it.. but it beggars belief.

I never saw any of it and never will but I believe that AH aircrew (and possibly QHI types) should be offered some kind of incentive to put up with the lifestyle. I know that might not be a popular thing to say amongst some but it's just my humble opinion.

Sven - there are individuals (non AH) that have qualified for the FRI but signed off before starting the 5 year block, I know of two. They have both left to civvy flying jobs on comparable pay. There are also at least two that I know signed off and had to pay it back. Like Missionary Impossible says, it isn't that much over 5 years for NCO aircrew and when balanced against the current quality of life in some places it's kind of insignificant.

Again, all IMHO
 
#19
DummyRound said:
I don't find anything surprising in the fact that 3 helicopter pilots are leaving the Army. This may come as a bit of a surprise to some, but there is indeed (wait for it.....) life AFTER the Armed Forces. I know, reading that out loud to yourself may come as a bit of a shock to the system, but it is indeed quite true. I read that thread earlier tonight and laughed at it. Just another crab baiting squaddies. Not exactly front page news.
...you mean aircraft are available in colours than green??? Bloody hell! Keep this quiet or RAF pilots will be off to get in civ planes!

:lol:

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