Time between training and tour

#1
Bone question perhaps....

I completed training back in May and want to deploy on herrick. I'd like to deploy with a regular battalion, so wish to volunteer for a tour but I'm unsure how it would look at my unit.

I'm massively keen but I don't want them to think I'm getting stuck in too soon. Is it too soon for me to look at a tour?

*awaits flames*
 

The_Duke

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#2
Depends on lots of things. Are you fully trained (ie completed trade training if relevant) or just done TA basic recruit training? Have you gained enough experience post basic training to add any form of value to a regular unit, or are you just going to be a training burden for them when you tip up? Do you think your unit (including CO/OC/PSI) would be willing to sign you off as "ready for Ops" on the basis of your performance to date?

For some people (and trades) your timeline would be too soon, for others perfectly alright. Only you and your unit will know the answer to that one.
 
#3
Hi Duke,

Thanks for your reply. I'm Infantry and completed CIC, I've done all the training available since I've completed it.

Your response has certainly given me a few points to think about.
 
#4
we like to have recruits in for 12 months before allowing them to deploy, so you may be expected to wait until May 2010.

oh and incidentally, i see nothing wrong with being keen. in fact i encourage it.
 
#5
StabOfFire said:
Hi Duke,

Thanks for your reply. I'm Infantry and completed CIC, I've done all the training available since I've completed it.

Your response has certainly given me a few points to think about.
If you're mad keen, get attached to a unit who are looking bods for an Ex. If you're lucky, you'll get Kenya or Belize - good place to start to learn your skillsets required for Afghan. Plus it'll show you how ready you are for a tour.
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#7
StabOfFire said:
How do I find out about opportunities to attach with a unit for an exercise?
(In an msr tone of voice) "speak to your PSI".

Your PSI can speak to your regular counterparts and find out what is coming up. It will then require your OC/PSAO to approve/seek Bde approval for the additional MTDs required to attend the training.

It will be invaluable training if a) you can get it and b) it is a decent field exercise
 
#8
If I were in your situation I would volunteer now. Ignore the nay sayers and crack on. They need bodies and being TA I am sure you bring other qualities apart from your basic training. No harm in trying.
 
#10
Thanks for your input guys, really appreciated.

Reference the RAOL, I've looked at this and the OCE and their never seems to be anything for the private soldier. I assume that my PSI will probably have a better idea about opportunities available to me?

In terms of volunteering, who do I speak to? Is it the PSI again? Or should I speak to platoon sergeant first?
 
#11
I would be asking people in a roundabout way what the process for TA soldiers in general to offer themselves up for operations. Is there an Admin Order? Do you fill a form in? Who knows. But that is the start of the trail. Hopefully a TA type can tell you. There is a old silly theory about never volunteering. The reverse is true. The CoC is quite likely to put every obstacle in front of any one volunteering to go and do anything unusual or interesting. Take no notice of them.
 
#12
duffdike said:
The CoC is quite likely to put every obstacle in front of any one volunteering to go and do anything unusual or interesting. Take no notice of them.
Well, going on tour is no longer unusual for the TA, although it may be interesting. I'm assuming your vast 8 years of reg experience included a TA attachment, or are you extrapolating based on hideously out-of-date rumours, as usual?

And the TA CoC putting obstacles in place? Not really - although being inf, he may have to wait until an appropriate composite company is being formed (priority has been being given to designated TA battalions - who may have enough volunteers) if he can't get in as an IA.
 
#14
2 Welsh are looking for bods for OP Tosca...ask PSI to put a bid in.
 
#15
Mate, for a start ignore duffdike. There's a reason he has that little badge under his name.

Next step, start asking around. Your chain of command is a good place to start, but I'd be surprised if your PSI and / or PSAO wouldn't answer the question anyway.

That said, I strongly suspect that the answer is heavily capbadge and unit dependent. Corps like mine send a steady stream out and would have asked you your intentions by now, Inf may well be aiming towards a mass mob at some point in the future. So ask, it's the only way you'll get the correct answer.

And one other thing that hopefully won't apply, any unit that gives you hassle for asking about mobilisation isn't worth staying in.
 
#16
duffdike said:
Well the guy is still no wiser as to where he can find out what the process/criteria are.
1. Make sure you are qualified to deploy. If in doubt, ask your PSI.
2. Find out what the opportunities coming up are, both in a formed unit (composite company) and as an IA. If in doubt, ask your PSI.
3. Apply. If in doubt as to the mechanism (which is normally a phone call, initially) - errm - ask your PSI.

I think previous posters mentioned "ask your PSI"?
 
#17
at my troop, I wouldnt be in the slightest bit bothered if a soldier of mine requested an interview with me to lodge his/her desires to get "stuck in" etc. By all means seek info from PSI, or the TA Sgt Major, however an interview with your Pl/Tp Commander ought always to be recorded on paper and that way it itself can by default begin the paper trail for you, assuming your Comd actually bothers to action it after said interview.
 
#18
Is anybody able to PM me with what Inf units are deploying on Herrick in 2010? I know it's in the public domain, but all I can seem to find is that 1 Mercian are deploying...
 
#19
StabOfFire said:
Is anybody able to PM me with what Inf units are deploying on Herrick in 2010? I know it's in the public domain, but all I can seem to find is that 1 Mercian are deploying...
Out of interest what cap badge are you is it rifles or Pwrr from ure location I'm guessing rifles if im right u shouldnt have to wait very long for a tour to come along
 

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