Tim Vine: Last Post Sunday Times 3 August..

#1
Howls of indignation in some quarters about "comedian" Tim Vine's item on the last post in the Times Culture Section, Sunday 3 Aug
Having been guilty of similar schoolboy humour at military memorial services myself, decades ago, I have to keep to the moral low ground. At least I can relate to the concept of sacrifice, loss of fallen comrades and loved ones, and the emotion of the Armistice Parade.
Many will "... in their own time, carry on, " but before you move the safety catch to fire, just pause and think what a shallow, sheltered, life Vine must have led to date, not to be strirred by the emotion of the the Last Post. This may say more about the values of society today, than our outrage and indignation might say about us.


Tim Vine on the Last Post said:
Laughing at school is the heartiest laughing you will ever do in your life. When you discover yourself in the wonderful world of teendom, you start finding the smallest of situations uproariously funny. As long as you are with your buddies, anything can quickly become a recipe for hysteria, particularly at someone else’s expense. And of all the scenarios most likely to bring on waves of barely stifled guffaws, at the top of the list, for me, was always the occasion when you must not laugh. Being in an enclosed space with my mates, knowing that laughter would be wholly inappropriate, was the surest way to make it start.

This brings me to a piece of music that has been close to my heart ever since my school days. I refer to The Last Post, that strangely haunting tune, played on one trumpet, that never quite seems to get started. It begins with two sustained notes, then, almost as though the composer was trying to attract someone’s attention on the other side of the room, repeats the two notes and a couple of others at about five times the speed. There’s a moment to reflect, then the two notes again. Who it was that decided this comedy melody, played on — let’s face it — a rather amusing instrument, should be performed after two minutes’ silence to remember people who died in the war, I don’t know, but for me and my friends it was irresistible. Having just spent the longest two minutes of our lives trying to avoid actually exploding with laughter, the fact that the silence was broken by this tune of all tunes, and usually played by a fellow pupil who sounded as though he’d taken up the trumpet only the previous day . . . Well, there was just no defence against it.

The shoulders rocked up and down like a piston. One hand was clasped over the mouth, with thumb and index finger pinching the nostrils for dear life. Involuntary splutters were unconvincingly followed by decoy coughs.

Yes, I love that tune for all the joy it brought me and all the memories it has given me, for there is nothing quite so life-affirming as looking sideways along a row of friends and seeing them all, to a man, heads down, chins against their chests, faces contorted, each fighting his own private ordeal.

Even now, with my school days having long since disappeared from my rear-view mirror, I can still vividly recall the sound of that wavering trumpet note, the backward snort of a smothered laugh and the sight of a bubble ballooning from my best mate’s nose. The Last Post. Thank goodness it didn’t have lyrics.

The comedian Tim Vine will be appearing at the Pleasance Courtyard, Edinburgh, until August 16
 
#2
We've all laughed at inappropriate times.

Once at school, we had a talk from this very brave, erudite former internee of a Japanese POW camp (my grandfather was also a prisoner) and he was telling us of his time there and he was standing in this huge hall full of 2000 boys, will pride, dignity and we all held him in very high-esteem. Then some lad shouted out "yeah I bet you got bummed" and needless to say, the entire hall erupted lauhging. Me included, it was partly out of the outrageousness, partly from shock/fear and secondly, it was unbelievable.

Am I ashamed of laughing to bits, yes I am.
 
#3
Yes, we've all been there. But what sort of low life writes this sort of stuff now, with the coffins being flown in regularly from Iraq and Ghan? If you feel as strongly as I do, here are some links for responses:

Editor of Sunday Times: letters@sunday-times.co.uk .

Editor of the so-called "Art and Culture" Supplement on : culture@sunday-times.co.uk (what has this got to do with art or culture?)

Also. I see Vine is at the Edinburgh Festival until 16 August. Perhaps letters to the Scotsman on this link: letters_ts@scotsman.com

Given the casualties the Scottish Regiments have suffered, they might also wish to explain a few facts of life to him. His venue is Pleasance Courtyard.

Check out his own website too - http://www.timvine.com/ A bit thin, but you can send him an e-mail and you can also see the schedule for his September tour. He is in Aldershot on the evening of 17 September, which is a thought!
 
#5
A bit behind the curve (as usual) but nevertheless as a member of the "ex/old and bold club" might I suggest that this pond-life tries his "humour" to entertain families and friends waiting for the next, unfortunately inevitable, repatriation flight into Brize - or perhaps the Marines and Paras would like to invite him to a "remember the fun we had in Helmand" party sometime....
 
#7
I doubt whether he meant to be disrespectful, I think he is a good comedian, anyone see him?

He is the brother Jeremy Vine I believe.
 
#8
Bigdumps said:
I doubt whether he meant to be disrespectful, I think he is a good comedian, anyone see him?

He is the brother Jeremy Vine I believe.
He is... and I still think he's a Kn0bber
 
#9
Outrage bus will be along shortly.
 
#10
Well, he just sounds like a bit of an ignorant plank.

I feel sorry for him really. Sorry that he has little appreciation of the real world and sorry that he doesn't understand the meaning behind the last post and rememberance.

yes, we've all laughed at innappropriate moments. Yes, sometimes it is funny. I sometimes find edgy, innappropriate humour amusing. But the simple fact of the matter is that this piece wasn't in the least amusing.


Tim Vine on the Last Post said:
two minutes’ silence to remember people who died in the war,
and which war would that be? Obviously some distant near-forgotten conflict that doesn't effect us?! :x

That just displays his ignorance to a tee....
 
#11
Cnut. He is so stupid that he is having a go at the tune, which is a call not a fecking pop hit, rather than the unfortunates who tried to play it. Anyone who has heard a pro - oh for example 2 RGJ's bugles - play it, would know exactly how ill-conceived and unamusing this skit is.
 
#12
All the Last Post meant to me when I was a kid was that I had to stand still and be quiet for two minutes. While some amateur with good intentions destroyed the music on a solitary instrument. Watching friends pulling faces at each other and trying to make others laugh, then getting cuffed by adults.

Once the two minutes were up you were free to continue as before while the adults shook hands and headed off for a drink or two. Basically didn't mean a thing to me.

It's not until you have been amongst people who went through it that you can fully appreciate the sentiment behind the music.

Suspect it's the same with Mr Vine.
 
#13
I remember at the age of about 14 or 15 being in the school chapel at the funeral of another boy from the school - he was a year or two older or younger - I forget which. In the middle of the service I heard another boy whisper some puerile joke about the proceedings and I spent the next half an hour choking myself trying to avoid breaking out into laughter.

I can't remember what the joke was - I can remember the fear of the shame (and subsequent punishment) of laughing aloud during a funeral. Not proud of it and can't see how it's a good subject for comedy.
 
#14
The article is inappropriate, given that the writer is being payed for interlectual input. The fact that it was writen (and published) is yet another example of the gulf between the civilian population and its Armed Services. 50 years ago no-one would have even dreamt of writing that piece, but times and experiences change..........
 
#15
Ord_Sgt said:
Outrage bus will be along shortly.
Well I'm driving :evil: The man is a cnut and if, as has been suggested, he is only doing it for publicity then he is an even bigger cnut and needs staking out and his balls kicking till they are the size of purple water melons.

Did I mention he is a cnut?

And he is as funny as the news that you have HIV positive and the clap!
 

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#16
Cuddles said:
Cnut. He is so stupid that he is having a go at the tune, which is a call not a fecking pop hit, rather than the unfortunates who tried to play it. Anyone who has heard a pro - oh for example 2 RGJ's bugles - play it, would know exactly how ill-conceived and unamusing this skit is.
For the last post with full feeling and true emotion visit the round Church of St Chads in Shrewsbury on Bligny sunday. I served with the Bugle Major who plays the last post and it really does reverb around that little round church. Doug you are an artist!
 
#17
I'm gonna wait till his Ma karks it, then turn up at her planting dressed as a clown, complete with one of them there curled-up, blowy straight thingies with a feather on the end, with which I'll keep tickling the chaplin's nose while laughing manically the whole time and drowning out the dirge by loudly singing "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life".

Seriously, if I was at a Remembrance Ceremony and he was standing next to me giggling during the playing of "The Last Post", I'd just turn and drop the nut on the fücker.

MsG
 
#18
Who it was that decided this comedy melody, played on — let’s face it — a rather amusing instrument, should be performed after two minutes’ silence

I always thought Reveille was played after the two minutes silence?
 
#19
reading that quote i did fall into fits of laughter remembering when i was a kid and the speccy eyed geek who played the bugle at school to be honest i dont see this as a disrespect of the heroes of all wars i see it as just memories, we all have em dont be too hard on the guy hes not slagging us off after all, there just his memories
 

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