Tim Collins Wants A Job

Discussion in 'The Intelligence Cell' started by Mr_Fingerz, Oct 2, 2011.

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  1. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

  2. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Good question, well presented....

    On the up side he could bring an element of common sense and robust leadership which appears to be lacking from the top ranks of plod.

    On the downside he has baggage. Politically he could be a bit of hand grenade. Allegations were made and although he was exonerated I'm not sure they were fully resolved. Innocent unless proven guilty is all very well but as Cameron found out with Coulson it doesn't necessarily work in politics.

    Allegations made as part of a political campaign could be nasty. It would not be difficult for any opponent to get hold of a succession of people to fling dirt at him. I've got 2 or 3 on my mobile who would probably be happy do it.
  3. That speech in full.

    "We go to liberate, not to conquer. We will not fly our flags in their country. We are entering Iraq to free a people and the only flag which will be flown in that ancient land is their own.
    Show respect for them. There are some who are alive at this moment who will not be alive shortly. Those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send.
    As for the others, I expect you to rock their world. Wipe them out if that is what they choose. But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory.

    Iraq is steeped in history. It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham. Tread lightly there.
    You will see things that no man could pay to see - and you will have to go a long way to find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis.
    You will be embarrassed by their hospitality even though they have nothing. Don't treat them as refugees for they are in their own country.
    Their children will be poor, in years to come they will know that the light of liberation in their lives was brought by you.

    If there are casualties of war then remember that when they woke up and got dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day.Allow them dignity in death. Bury them properly and mark their graves.
    It is my foremost intention to bring every single one of you out alive. But there may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign.We will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back. There will be no time for sorrow.

    The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction. There are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for Saddam. He and his forces will be destroyed by this coalition for what they have done. As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to this place. Show them no pity.

    It is a big step to take another human life. It is not to be done lightly. I know of men who have taken life needlessly in other conflicts. I can assure you they live with the mark of Cain upon them. If someone surrenders to you then remember they have that right in international law and ensure that one day they go home to their family.
    The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please.

    If you harm the regiment or its history by over-enthusiasm in killing or in cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer. You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest - for your deeds will follow you down through history. We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our nation. It is not a question of if, it's a question of when.

    We know he has already devolved the decision to lower commanders, and that means he has already taken the decision himself. If we survive the first strike we will survive the attack.

    As for ourselves, let's bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there.

    Our business now is North.

    He'd get my vote.
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  4. Terrible idea. We need less elected soundbite generators not more.

    And he clearly hasn't even done his research because he's managed to confuse specials and PCSOs.
  5. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    "Hello Pot, this is Kettle - send colour: over"

    Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-)
  6. Does this still hang in the Oval Office of the White House?
  7. Speak to the blokes who worked for him in the past. They have some very strong opinions of him as an individual and as a leader of men.
  8. & those 2 or 3 are probably not half the man that he is?

    Any person that can come up with a speech like that, gets my vote, over someone prepared to besmirch him.
  9. I thought the whole point of these elected commissioners was that they'd represent the local people rather than a political party.

    Political appointees in these roles will be a continuation of the present system, where the police committee is appointed by the county council. The commissioner posts will be stuffed with political wannabes who will toe the party line religiously in the hope of being rewarded with a safe seat on the parliamentary gravy train.

    Let's see a few RSMs standing as independents and the jails full of scrotes whose hair is too long.
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  10. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    I'm not making any comments about the accuracy of any allegations about him. Merely that they are out there and could be politically inconvenient.

    As Postman Twit says he evokes strong opinions from those who served around him but as you say it could all be the jealousy of lesser men.
  11. I think he's a questionable candidate, but not as questionable as the job. Elected politicised commissioners? The Police seem to be hell bent on doing anything rather than actual policing. I've no desire to vote myself or allow others to vote for such roles, they should be filled by people selected on merit and experience.

    Which brings me back round to Collins. Other people surely better him on merit and experience, but won't be wasting their time on a plod hustings. FFS.
  12. Good points, well made. But on the up side, elected commissioners would not necessarily have to be taken from the dead pool of professional, senior police officers who have been bogging things up for years.

  13. So the alternative is to bung clueless, attention seeking media-whores with political affiliations into highly professional roles requiring a great deal of policing experience?

    Using the above logic, a run of bad CDS's could be completely solved by opening the field up wider. Robert Winston for CGS?

    Seems like an extension of the GOATS idea. Which was shit.
  14. Don't forget that he has some pretty serious business interests. So how much of his time would he really be able to dedicate to the job? May well represent pretty pooor value to the taxpayer if the job is just one of a portfolio.
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  15. skid2

    skid2 LE Book Reviewer

    The one which made me laugh was 'Couldn't drive shite into a barrel, never mind lead it'
    Of course not having bothered my arse reading the rest of this and wishing the people of Kent and the Leprachaun of Death all the best. In the spirit of parity of esteem may I also extend my best wishes to Martin McGuinness and the people of the Free State.