Tim collins book...

#1
my apolgies if this has been discussed but i've only just finished it myself and i have to say it's put me off joining the army in all honesty?

Other peoples verdict, opions?
 

the_boy_syrup

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#3
Biscuits_AB said:
Well, at 76 years of age you wouldn't have got in anyway.
That's a bit harsh Biscuits
He might reconsider and join the RAF
76 is only a young whipper snapper in an RAF CPL's Mess
Admittedly he hasn't completed 60 years service to reach Cpl but he might still get in :p
 
#4
Foitin Irish...

Col Tim's experiences were rather unusual, and whilst you may wish to emulate his successes walk before you can run, there's plenty other career paths than line infantry officer - then SAS - then CO of a BG in GW2 I would always suggest you give it a go and see whats what for yourself.
 
#5
I bought a copy and thought it was a bloody good read, and would wholeheartedly recommend it to just about anyone.

I by chance was discussing the book with one of Col Collins peers and during the conversation, he led me to believe that the book, whilst fairly accurate wasn't a wholly balanced view of the situation. C'est la vie.

But to be fair, anyone who comes close to achieving half what the man did, won't have had a bad career in todays shrinking army.

P.S. Great Speech.
 
#6
Foitin_Irish said:
my apolgies if this has been discussed but i've only just finished it myself and i have to say it's put me off joining the army in all honesty?

Other peoples verdict, opions?

Why, what about the book put you off,

the infighting

the politics

the backstabbing

or was it the unsavoury stuff


I met the man and heard him speak a few times,

he comes across as a sensible chap, whom a man could follow into trouble and not have to worry about losing the odd pair of trousers
 
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Biscuits_AB

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#7
MSSC said:
Foitin Irish...

Col Tim's experiences were rather unusual, and whilst you may wish to emulate his successes walk before you can run, there's plenty other career paths than line infantry officer - then SAS - then CO of a BG in GW2 I would always suggest you give it a go and see whats what for yourself.
Yep, it's a man's life in the SPS.
 
#8
Mr_Bridger said:
I by chance was discussing the book with one of Col Collins peers and during the conversation, he led me to believe that the book, whilst fairly accurate wasn't a wholly balanced view of the situation. C'est la vie.
I'd agree with you on that assessment Mr Bridger, still makes a good read tho!

FAB
 
#9
hedgie said:
Foitin_Irish said:
my apolgies if this has been discussed but i've only just finished it myself and i have to say it's put me off joining the army in all honesty?

Other peoples verdict, opions?

Why, what about the book put you off,

the infighting

the politics

the backstabbing

or was it the unsavoury stuff



Bit of all the above to be honest, i've spoken to few soldiers and NCO's from various trades, Inf, Reme and they all seem to have the same opinion that the army doesn't look after them.

Also To say that the "rape" bit in the book didn't concern me would be a big lie!!
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
Book Reviewer
#10
Foitin_Irish said:
hedgie said:
Foitin_Irish said:
my apolgies if this has been discussed but i've only just finished it myself and i have to say it's put me off joining the army in all honesty?

Other peoples verdict, opions?

Why, what about the book put you off,

the infighting

the politics

the backstabbing

or was it the unsavoury stuff



Bit of all the above to be honest, i've spoken to few soldiers and NCO's from various trades, Inf, Reme and they all seem to have the same opinion that the army doesn't look after them.

Also To say that the "rape" bit in the book didn't concern me would be a big lie!!


Not even in yet and planing to get captured and raped
Is there a Navy recruiting office near you?
You may well be better off visiting them :wink:
 
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Mr_Logic

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#11
Foitin_Irish

I read this recently and would say that it is OK. I have certainly read better books although I did particularly admire the thoughtful points he made on how his battalion handled service in Ulster.

However, if you allow a single book to put you off joining the Army then you probably aren't what the Army is looking for. Similarly, if you are worried about male rape then you probably have issues that you need to deal with.

Go out and have a fight or two. If you don't enjoy at least part of the process or consequences then maybe you should stick to reading books.
 
#12
funny timing, i'm reading it at the moment. he's just been told he will remain as CO for the big push into Iraq.

good job really, or it would be a bit of a short book :)
 
#13
I read his book and spoke to some of his officers who were there and served under him. According to them there is some 'author's licience' in the book when he is dealing with some of the incidents in which he was accused of war crimes.

Subsquently I met him in person and spoke to him briefly - he was rude and I found him to be ignorant to those around him unless you were of use to him.

If I met him in the street now and he was looking for a helping hand I would repay him by ignoring him and walking on by. Cnut.

TZA
 
#14
I've read it and I must say he's a bit too self serving in it for me. I've spoken to a few people who've worked with him and none were too impressed, apparently he's just a bit strange. Though the best of luck to him making a fortune from dinner speeches.
 
#15
TangoZeroAlpha said:
I read his book and spoke to some of his officers who were there and served under him. According to them there is some 'author's licience' in the book when he is dealing with some of the incidents in which he was accused of war crimes.

Subsquently I met him in person and spoke to him briefly - he was rude and I found him to be ignorant to those around him unless you were of use to him.

If I met him in the street now and he was looking for a helping hand I would repay him by ignoring him and walking on by. Cnut.

TZA

'Poetic Licence' has been an established rule in all of the GW1 & 2 tomes that I've come across, either installed by the authors or insisted on by the publishing company.

I have read his book. The famous 'speech' is a cut and paste from other sources, one of which I seem to recall was Nelson. Highly effective nevertheless.

As a Norn Iron man, I can only hope that the CD version is read by someone else. His 'strangulated' pretentious accent does my head in.
 
#16
I heard him on the radio in Ireland and he comes across very well. They are not bothered that he was a Brit army officer at all (well, the vast majority anyways!)
 

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