Tiffy Promotion Ban

#1
Has anyone seen the "temporarily removed" corp instruction on promotion. I am led to believe that Tiffy's will now have to serve a minimum of 4 years before going to a WO2 promotion board. Is this due to VEng? Have those recently started a Tiffy course been informed of this change?
 
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#2
As far as I remember tiffies always had to serve a minimum of 4 years before being in the zone for promotion.

Lets be honest here, no matter how experienced & how good you are, should we really expect someone to be promoted to warrant rank after only 1.5 tours :?
 
#3
boycie said:
Has anyone seen the "temporarily removed" corp instruction on promotion. I am led to believe that Tiffy's will now have to serve a minimum of 4 years before going to a WO2 promotion board. Is this due to VEng? Have those recently started a Tiffy course been informed of this change?
Don't worry yourself you can't even spell 'Corps Instruction'!!! :D
 
#4
Arrse90, and you can't place apostrophes when abbreviating!
 
#6
The current rule is 3 years sub rank before you go to the board.

However, REME MCM can bend the rules to suit...

Last board had 2 course's on that hadn't completed 3 years....
 
#7
Tiffy A Mech,

The rules were not being bent, what happened was different filter rules were applied for a couple of years to stop some soldiers being disadvantaged because the Army moved the promotion year dates forward by 6 mths. Even so no tiffy would get sub promotion until they had served 3 years a a SSgt.
 
#8
and another thing.........

The 4 years as a SSgt rule has been contemplated but as far as I am informed, the bright idea almost immediately dismissed. A spurious Corps Instr E6 did briefly appear on the DEME(A) website a few months back - no-one in Arborfield appears to lay claim to this "amendment" which was flawed in many areas and referred to out of date references that predated the extant 2003 version.
 
#9
Seams a little discriminatory when there is no requirement for Recovery Mechanics, Tech Storemen, RS or other trades that now feed the WO RQMS and RCMO slots to do 4 years as SSgts before promotion
 
#12
Thats true that Recy Mech, Tech Storeman etc don't have to do 4 years, however non Artificer trades have to do a min of 16 yrs until they are eligible for SSgt.

Swings and round abouts if u ask me.
 
#13
7/16_Extra_Deep said:
Thats true that Recy Mech, Tech Storeman etc don't have to do 4 years, however non Artificer trades have to do a min of 16 yrs until they are eligible for SSgt.

Swings and round abouts if u ask me.
14 years now, I believe?
 
#14
i remember being told that going the tiffy route would give you fast track through the ranks. but as we can see now that is not the case. loggies (waste of a few good lungs if you ask me) only need 2 years in rank before being selected and all they do is do stock checks and servicing.
surerly as a tiffy the fast track promotion should still be the way, or, if not, slow the rest of the the staffies down in the corps and or other cap badges....
 
#15
Remember that REME has some of the best chances to get to WO2 & WO1 c/w other capbadges in most trades. Our CEG structures are quite top heavy. We have more WOs as a percentage of the total Corps soldier strength than any other major capbadge.

It used to be 4 or 5 years wait as a SSgt. At least this meant that as a WO2 you had a reasonable amount of experience - helping you perform better as a WO and importantly do better for the guys below you.

These days (as a tiffy anyway) nearly all those WO2s recommended will get to WO1 even if distinctly average!

The REME merit tempered by years of service promotion system gives more good guys a chance of promotion. In some Corps like the AGC its merit only. A few stars get to WO1 very quickly and then block that SSM slot for 10+ years. Do we want that?

Finally - if you are a quality individual who performs at a very high standard you will get on. If we start getting jealous of other Corps its a sad thing. Are people suggesting they would rather have the job satisfaction (not) associated with many other capbadges. If so, perhaps they should have joined a different capbadge.
 
#16
Remember that REME has some of the best chances to get to WO2 & WO1 c/w other capbadges in most trades. Our CEG structures are quite top heavy. We have more WOs as a percentage of the total Corps soldier strength than any other major capbadge.

It used to be 4 or 5 years wait as a SSgt. At least this meant that as a WO2 you had a reasonable amount of experience - helping you perform better as a WO and importantly do better for the guys below you.

These days (as a tiffy anyway) nearly all those WO2s recommended will get to WO1 even if distinctly average!

The REME merit tempered by years of service promotion system gives more good guys a chance of promotion. In some Corps like the AGC its merit only. A few stars get to WO1 very quickly and then block that SSM slot for 10+ years. Do we want that?

Finally - if you are a quality individual who performs at a very high standard you will get on. If we start getting jealous of other Corps its a sad thing. Are people suggesting they would rather have the job satisfaction (not) associated with many other capbadges. If so, perhaps they should have joined a different capbadge.
 
#17
okimato said:
It used to be 4 or 5 years wait as a SSgt. At least this meant that as a WO2 you had a reasonable amount of experience - helping you perform better as a WO and importantly do better for the guys below you.
I don’t agree with that statement doing a job for a prolonged period of time does not mean you will progress to the next level and be more proficient at it than a guy who has done less time. For example if you have been doing the job wrong for 5 years to my mind that is not as good as doing the job well for 2 years. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect!!
 
#19
How are women promoted to WO2? :D
 
#20
Wonk_Mog said:
How are women promoted to WO2? :D
Is that a wah? We have female ASM's now pal, they are promoted in exactly the same way as everyone else.
 

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