Does anyone else not find this strange that ever since the talk of Versatile Engagement coming in, there has been talk of the tiffy courses changing. This tiffy course change would take away the majority of trade quals and replace them with management orientated quals and work based learning that are not up to the current standard of the current: Tech - BSc Electronic Engineering Mech - HND Mechanical Engineering Now i know if i served 22 years and had a BSc in Electronic Engineering i would get out, even if offered VEng, because at 40 i am still very employable especially with having a degree and work experience, and i would get a well paid job on top of my pension. If you serve 22 years under the new planned regime you reach 40 and think, well i'm not very qualified to do much and would take a massive drop in pay if i get out, guess what, i'll take that VEng they've just waved under my nose. Anyone not think the same? Think this proposed change to the tiffy courses came out at the Defence Training Review last year. If anyone else knows any different then let me know, this might not happen however i think it will. In due course for the move to St Athens it would make training tiffies a lot easier if they were all trained relatively the same, regardless of trade, which equals big cuts in spending.