Three U.S. Diplomats Taken Off Train, Briefly Detained Near Sensitive Russian Site

Three U.S. diplomats have been removed from a train and briefly questioned by Russian authorities in the sensitive Arctic shipyard city of Severodvinsk, near the site of a mysterious explosion in August that killed five nuclear workers.
Russia's Interfax news agency reported on October 16 that the diplomats were taken off the train that runs between Severodvinsk and Nyonoksa around 6 p.m. on October 14.
nterfax said the documents of the three were checked before they were released.
It said the trio included a naval attaché and a defense attaché.
There are areas in Russia and in the USA that are closed for diplomats and they need special permission to visit respective areas.
Russia's state-run TASS news agency quoted a source as saying law enforcement authorities suspected the three of breaching rules on foreigners visiting controlled zones.
Indeed the trio has a permission to visit the city of Arkhangelsk but not any point in vast Arkhangelsk region. Btw, VoA doesn't mention this important detail.
However, Reuters quoted a spokesman from the U.S. State Department as saying the "American diplomats were on official travel and had properly notified Russian authorities of their travel."
Yes, they notified the authorities about their trip to Arkhangelsk but appeared in another place that requires special permission to visit it.

Coverage in the Guardian is more detailed.
In a statement, the Russian foreign ministry confirmed that the diplomats were on an official trip and had informed the Russian defence ministry of their plans.
“Only, they said their intention was to visit Arkhangelsk and they ended up en route to Severodvinsk,” the ministry said.
“They obviously got lost. We are ready to give the US embassy a map of Russia,” the ministry added.
 
Lovely

Any comment on the Russian tourist who has had his link to being a GRU officer verified and shown in both photographs and video, also with his family to be guests at GRU wedding
 
Were they on their way to look at cathedrals?
 
ooooh... the train they took got "close" to a "more" secure area, and they didn't get off the train (or take a private car) anywhere near the "more" secure area except for when the Russian "police" pulled them off the train to question them, then released them because they had received permission to travel to where they were travelling, and didn't do anything wrong.

Thanks for that.
 
Travelling the rails gives you lots of information... just saying like...

The closed Military train to berlin from the west, through the eastern section of Russian controlled east Germany, had guards, all with binoculars and notepads, trained in observation, they noted all positions of vehicles in barracks and camps and airfields seen from the train, all changes of road furniture, any extra previously unseen military hardware, going through stations on the middle reserved rail , noted any extra guards or added features on the station platform. the train was a wealth of information to the western powers, and all done from a legitimate moving sealed train. I travelled on it in 1976.
 
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because they had received permission to travel to where they were travelling
How would the US react if Russian diplomats obtained permission to travel in and around Washington (state) and were found nosing about near the White House?

(for the purpose of the comparison, assume that Washington State is a sensitive area and DC is an absolutely no-go area).
 
How would the US react if Russian diplomats obtained permission to travel in and around Washington (state) and were found nosing about near the White House?

(for the purpose of the comparison, assume that Washington State is a sensitive area and DC is an absolutely no-go area).
They aren’t

How about outside the Wall/fence of the White House compared to being found having jumped the wall/fence?
 
They aren’t

How about outside the Wall/fence of the White House compared to being found having jumped the wall/fence?
For the analogy to work, you can't have a physical barrier.
 
For the analogy to work, you can't have a physical barrier.
Which highlights the oddity of Russia having no go areas that you can go in

We don’t know what they were or were not doing
It may or may not be the usual international going’s on such as reconnaissance aircraft, navy ships etc poking close to / across borders


They had permission to travel, were taken off a train and put back on a train
 

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Must be a slow news day.
 
Lovely

Any comment on the Russian tourist who has had his link to being a GRU officer verified and shown in both photographs and video, also with his family to be guests at GRU wedding
Even if the 'tourists' are really Russian secret agents (that is not proved yet) then it itself doesn't prove that they are poisoners.
If the Skripals didn't return home that day then the 'tourists' have an alibi. And note, British authorities don't claim that they returned. Their own comments are unavailable. And as I'm aware still the investigation is ongoing. So let's wait.
 

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Even if the 'tourists' are really Russian secret agents (that is not proved yet) then it itself doesn't prove that they are poisoners.
If the Skripals didn't return home that day then the 'tourists' have an alibi. And note, British authorities don't claim that they returned. Their own comments are unavailable. And as I'm aware still the investigation is ongoing. So let's wait.
Yes it ******* has.
 

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Even if the 'tourists' are really Russian secret agents (that is not proved yet) then it itself doesn't prove that they are poisoners.
If the Skripals didn't return home that day then the 'tourists' have an alibi. And note, British authorities don't claim that they returned. Their own comments are unavailable. And as I'm aware still the investigation is ongoing. So let's wait.

Poor old KGB, I bet he's itching to pretend the Skripals have been abducted again.
His idea that they were held against their will in a cellar with rats in was idiotic trolling at its very best.
 

There are areas in Russia and in the USA that are closed for diplomats and they need special permission to visit respective areas.

Indeed the trio has a permission to visit the city of Arkhangelsk but not any point in vast Arkhangelsk region. Btw, VoA doesn't mention this important detail.

Yes, they notified the authorities about their trip to Arkhangelsk but appeared in another place that requires special permission to visit it.

Coverage in the Guardian is more detailed.
Are there any cathedrals, outside of the city, that they may have wanted to visit? Campanology is not just limited to Russians of special forces age, you know.
 
Ah the Yanks got caught trying it on, Just like the Ruskies got caught poisoning people.

Normal day in the spying game.
 
I think the Russian government needs to have a word with its lads. All this expression of interest in clocks and bells, churches and architectural history is distracting them from their core function of espionage.

Why, there's something a tad wrong when they are stopped from moving by invisible snow. How the defenders of Moscow would laugh if they could see what their military has become.

I trust @KGB_resident has been tutoring his pupil, 118118 in the fine art of agitprop. He needs it.

One of ours in our country is still dead old propagandist. Remember that.

By the way, @KGB_resident . Foreign nationals get on a train with permission. Are checked. Get on the train and carry on with their joiurney. It's like a spot the dog book.
 

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