Thoughts please

#1
I need someone to take the pi$$ out of how I set up my webbing so I can set it up better. At the moment from left to right I've got...

Double ammo pouch-magazines
Utility Pouch-KFS, hexi cooker+hexi (in plastic bag), ration pack (as much as I can fit)
Utility Pouch-Spare waterbottle, plastic mug, brew kit
Entrenching tool pouch-Crusader mug, waterbottle
Double ammo pouch-Weapon cleaning kit, paracord, cam cream, sling (when not on weapon)

And on the left side of the yoke I have a multitool pouch+multitool.

Come on people be cruel, you're good at it...
 
#6
I know ill get slated for this but if it helps mate heres whats in mine,
Left to right

Ammo pouches X 2, 1st pouch, 2 empty GP Mags, 2nd ammo pouch-empty
Utility pouch - mess tins and MSR Pocket Rocket-brilo pad
Utility pouch - Metal 58 Pat mug, 58 Pat w/bottle
Utility Pouch - Bungees, tentpegs, KFS, Basha
Utility pouch - Gas for MSR, Amplivox
Ammo pouch X 2, 2nd pouch - Maglite 2 X AA, Sh1te multitool, celium sticks
1st Ammo pouch - full GP cleaning kit, Note pad, pen

let the Critersism begin!
 
#7
PartTimeSJT said:
I know ill get slated for this but if it helps mate heres whats in mine,
Left to right

Ammo pouches X 2, 1st pouch, 2 empty GP Mags, 2nd ammo pouch-empty
Utility pouch - mess tins and MSR Pocket Rocket-brilo pad
Utility pouch - Metal 58 Pat mug, 58 Pat w/bottle
Utility Pouch - Bungees, tentpegs, KFS, Basha
Utility pouch - Gas for MSR, Amplivox
Ammo pouch X 2, 2nd pouch - Maglite 2 X AA, Sh1te multitool, celium sticks
1st Ammo pouch - full GP cleaning kit, Note pad, pen

let the Critersism begin!
That has to be a warrhh! There is far to much on that belt for it to fit. Plus why do you have a basha on your belt kit? That went out with 58 pattern webbing. When you say two ammo pouches do you mean a single unit or that you have really got two ammo pouches either side???Crazy.

On your webbing it should be...from left to right.

Ammo pouch
Bayonet frog
Water bottle pouch
Utility pouch
Utility pouch (personal pref)
Ammo pouch

Anything else will be a waste of time as it will just add to weight. Webbing is designed for carrying ammo and basic survival equipment. Personally I think Hippo pads, gucci pouchs and leatherman pouchs are a waste of time. Your webbing should be the same as everyone elses ensuring uniformity and quick access to equipment if you are wounded and someone needs to get your first field dressing (FFD) or ammo. Rather than looking keen or like rambo you will look like a complete tosser.
 
#8
I wish I could fit my basha in a utility pouch! I've still got a 58 pattern that just about fits in a side pouch! I like the sound of torch in webbing though so I should probably get to sorting that out...
 
#9
Some thieving pikey stole my belt kit, but now its given me the opportunity to really examine what I carry and why, and the prognosis is I used to carry too much crap and have now cut it down to the bare minimum. Much better!
 
#10
PotYos said:
Some thieving pikey stole my belt kit, but now its given me the opportunity to really examine what I carry and why, and the prognosis is I used to carry too much crap and have now cut it down to the bare minimum. Much better!
I tried to strip mine down a bit, but I ended up with what I have above, which is pretty much what I carried anyway...
 
#11
booty_cadet said:
I wish I could fit my basha in a utility pouch! I've still got a 58 pattern that just about fits in a side pouch! I like the sound of torch in webbing though so I should probably get to sorting that out...
Booty cadet,

You are a cadet, I am a full time soldier with a lot of experience. Yes an FFD should be in your top left pocket of your smock. However the standard FFD will only hold one pint of blood and the manual states that a maximum of three FFD's should be applied to slow bleeding hence carrying 2 extra in your webbing. I have been packing my webbing to the standard infantry way for many years and live well off it in the field. PM if you would like an infantry packing list. Anyone who carries anything different in regular units generally gets a shoeing for being a rambo wannabe. Apply KISS to everything you do.

K - Keep
I - It
S - Simple
S - Stupid
 
#12
PartTimeSJT said:
Utility pouch - mess tins and MSR Pocket Rocket-brilo pad
Utility pouch - Metal 58 Pat mug, 58 Pat w/bottle
Utility Pouch - Bungees, tentpegs, KFS, Basha
Utility pouch - Gas for MSR, Amplivox
Not taking the pi$$ but just out of curiosity where are your ammo pouches? I've got 2 pouches and an entrenching tool pouch on mine and mine are on the side, starting to creep towards my front. I'm only just not laying on them in prone. So I was just wondering.

Devils_Kin said:
Hippo pads, gucci pouches
Got to agree with you there. Anyone who needs a hippo pad for comfort shouldn't be wearing webbing, it really isn't that difficult to fit. If they need it to fit more pouches on, how about just moving the pouches down a few notches so that the belt naturally curves before you put it on, I can fit five pouches on and I've got a tiny waist! As for gucci pouches, anything that doesn't fit into a utility pouch shouldn't be in your webbing. Unless you need respirator, minimi magazine etc etc.
 
#13
WORN:

Smock Combat
Trousers Combat
T-Shirt/Norwegian
Stable belt
Boots (Combat High)
Personal Weapon (With sling)
Beret
Body Armour (with plates)
Watch
Dog tags (Taped together)

CARRIED IN SMOCK:

Notebook & Pencil (Include black pen & Chinograph pens)
Whistle (attached)
FFD (Top left hand pocket)
Gloves Contact
Torch (Spare batteries attached)
Cam Cream (If issued)
Lighter & Matches*
Sharp knife/Leatherman (Attached to smock)*
Survival tin*
Compass (Attached to smock)

AMMO POUCHES:

Left hand side: 4 Full magazines
Right hand side: Goggles

BAYONET FROG:

Scabbard
Bayonet

WATER BOTTLE POUCH:

Water bottle with S10 Respirator cap
Black mug
Sterilizing tablets
Hexi cooker*

UTILITY POUCH:

Weapon cleaning kit
Emergency rations (2 meals)
30m Dark cord
Mess tin
Spoon (No need for knife and fork)
Ear defence
Spare batteries
Lighter
10m Red mine tape
30m White mine tape
Search Mirror (If issued)

UTILITY POUCH (2):

Personal first aid kit
Toilet roll

RESPIRATOR HAVERSACK

S10 Respirator (Checked by CBRN Instructor before deployment)
DKP 1+2
Detector paper 1+3
Spare canister
Naps/Combo pens (If issued)

BERGEN:

Bergen cover
Orders folder
Model kit
Helmet
Flask
Spare combats (1xSmock, 1xShirt, 1xT-Shirt, 1xTrouser)
Socks x1 pr
Norwegian
Sleeping system
Fleece or Buffalo
Spare underwear x 1pr
Camelbak
Digging tool (If issued)
Trainers
Canoe bag (For waterproofing kit)
Roll mat (Attached)

SIDE POUCH RIGHT:

CBRN suit
CBRN over boots
Gloves inner/outer (Place left gloves in left trouser pocket and right gloves in right trouser pocket)

SIDE POUCH LEFT:

24 Hour ration pack
Mess tin
Socks 1 pr
Gloves Leather
Foot powder
Sewing kit + Patch of DPM Cloth
Spare laces
Head over or Woolly hat
Gortex Jacket
Poncho + 4 Bungees

HOLDALL:

Towel
Spare boots
Working belt
Sports kit (Trainers, Shorts, Tracksuit)
T-shirt x 4
Combats (Trousers x 2, Shirt x 2)
Socks x 4 pr
Under wear x 5
Wash kit (Unscented products)
Boot cleaning kit
Alarm Clock
Letter writing kit
Day sack (With canoe bag liner & Day sack cover)
Sun glasses + Goggles
Sharmag
Camera + Charger (Spare batteries)
Radio
Head torch
Wash bag (for laundry)
Civis
Flip flops
Pad locks x 2
Toilet roll


Ensure all kit is dust/water proofed.

Ensure your kit is marked with your: Name, Regt Number, Unit (If possible a contact number/email address and operational address).


First aid kit must include:

Triangular bandage, x2 FFD, Water proof plasters, Headache tablets, Pain killers, Throat lozenges, Anti septic cream, Insect repellent, Lip balm (with sun screen), Sun cream (factor 15 min).

Wash kit should include:
Shower gel (Un-scented), Toothbrush, Toothpaste, Razor (Spare blades), Shaving cream, Deodorant (Un-scented), Nail clippers, Moisturiser (Un-scented), Comb, Cotton buds, Mirror.
 
#14
Hopefully that will help. Couldn't PM it as it wouldn't work with microsoft word.

If you think there is anything missing let us know. This list was given to me at catterick which all instructors used. I have packed like this since day one and always had what I needed to hand.
 
#15
Well i too am a full time professional Recce soldier and i think your kit
list reeks of REMF or you have copied that kit list from an army PAM .
You are carrying much to much useless kit . Your giving cadets tips
bloody hell mate sort your own life out first .
 
#16
OK thanks. I'll have a play with it next ex and tell you how it went like that. First impressions are... Seems really good. Don't know how you fit that much in a utility pouch but I'm going to try. Like the look of the smock as at the moment I've got f*ck loads in there. I'll be able to swap some things into the right side pouch though as we don't use NBC kit.
 
#17
paveway_3 said:
Well i too am a full time professional Recce soldier and i think your kit
list reeks of REMF or you have copied that kit list from an army PAM .
You are carrying much to much useless kit . Your giving cadets tips
bloody hell mate sort your own life out first .
Ok recce soldier tell me what items you think should be removed? I have been on a lot of tours and was infantry since the early 90's transferred recently. The list is generally what you would need for a operational tour. Yes there are times when kit is not needed but that is left at your base or for exercise reasons your bergen maybe left in a harbour area or bergen stash before a recce or fighting patrol. The list that is displayed is what you would take to a camp.

Tell me what is useless. I too have carried out recce role.
 
#18
paveway_3 said:
Well i too am a full time professional Recce soldier and i think your kit
list reeks of REMF or you have copied that kit list from an army PAM .
You are carrying much to much useless kit . Your giving cadets tips
bloody hell mate sort your own life out first .
Sorry even as a cadet (apart from the survival kit, NBC kit, body armour) I can't see anything I wouldn't use over a 3/4 day ex in there. So please ellaborate.
 

BBear

LE
Kit Reviewer
#19
Ahhh, cadet kit back in in day - well, a year or so ago.

I set my kit up like this:

(left to right)

Ammo Pouch: Ammo
Arktis utility: Flask
Water bottle pouch: water bottle + metal mug
Water bottle pouch: Colemans gas + stove + brew kit + bright blue plastic spoon + 2 rat meals + pate + biscuits.
Water bottle pouch: water bottle + FA kit
Arktis Utility: spare
Utility pouch: notebook + pens, smoke (when i got one!) spare ammo for section, WPK.
FFD pouch: Either ffd (not walty, I've had cause to use one before) or prismatic compass.

I used a hippo belt, a utility strap running along the rear loops of each pouch and tightend so they wouldnt flap around as much and a bungee tied to the 3 WB pouches to fit foliage etc. On the rear yoke straps (the 2 which fit to the belt itself, rather than a pouch) there's a bayonet frog with a sandbag tied to it.

Before I get slammed for having a bayonet frog, without having a bayonet, it was put there when I bought the kit off an ex-gunner - so I saw no reason to move it. Also doubled up as a nice place to put a little flag.

Now I know that I was but a cadet, but my RSM had no problems with it - nor did any staff on any course I went on.

I tried not to put anything in the smock pockets, aside from a little pad of paper and a few pens. And a map.
 
#20
paveway_3 said:
Well i too am a full time professional Recce soldier and i think your kit
list reeks of REMF or you have copied that kit list from an army PAM .
You are carrying much to much useless kit . Your giving cadets tips
bloody hell mate sort your own life out first .
I'm behind paveway3 here. no disrespect meant, devil kin, but I think that there are things in your kit that as a trained, experianced soldier, you could bin, at least in your take into the field bergan/webbing.

from A brief look:
-mine tape, only for section cdr's or combat eng, carried in daysack
-spare smock. you don't need to carry one in your bergan spare kit. if your smock (primary that you are wearing) gets wet, just put a softie or goretex on underneath when you stop.
-sewing kit+patch materiel? nah, just have some black 'lecky' tape, bodge any rips & sew them properly when you get back into camp. slotted buttons won't come off if servicable.

flask in the bergan is a luxariy.
you should have more than 1 pr of socks in your in bergan spare kit.
model kit should be in your webbing or smock.

I know I'm a crab remf now, but have been in ta infantry & do get into the field at sennybridge & other trg ares now & again now with crabair.

lads, bin the right ammo pouch if you can & replace with a utility pouch. with one wide compartment it is easier than a double ammo pouch to take things in & out like notebooks, aide memoirs & command kit, oh & scoff & stuff too.
 

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