Thought police slapped down.

So the bible is the unexpurgated word of god, to be taken literally (divinity of Jesus, Mary etc) except where it's inconvenient, you know that's hypocritical at best and arguably blasphemy.

Back on topic I do hope this Orwellian thought police stuff gets squashed a bit by cases like this.
I worry that the disease has worked its way deeper into the thought processes of our body politic. It is, after all, a major cause for political aspirants hoping to make their way up their phlegm and vagina-scented (if not semen-spattered) poles. Labour politicos will deviate from the essential elements of the judgement to claim victimhood which they - and only they - can represent on the public stage. Watch out for those wimmin currently seeking Leadership of their Party; Long Bailey and Nandy. They've already lost, but if challenged by any properly neutral interviewer will screech loud and long about the Victims.
 
So the bible is the unexpurgated word of god, to be taken literally (divinity of Jesus, Mary etc) except where it's inconvenient, you know that's hypocritical at best and arguably blasphemy.

Back on topic I do hope this Orwellian thought police stuff gets squashed a bit by cases like this.
No. The clue is in the name 'Bible' - it's a collection of literature, a compact 'library'. In it, you'll find myths, literal accounts, letters, songs, poems, and so on. And most Christians serious about their faith are aware which is which.
Only a badly-educated fundamentalist would take the entire thing literally or dismiss the entire thing as myth.

As for the other point, I don't claim anything is the Word of God (though Christ is referred to as 'the Word). Rather, the New Testament is a collection of accounts of what the Apostles saw, heard, experienced, recollected and understood of Christ, plus letters from Paul instructing various churches in the theology he received from Peter and James.
 
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No. The clue is in the name 'Bible' - it's a collection of literature, a compact 'library'. In it, you'll find myths, literal accounts, letters, songs, poems, and so on. And most Christians serious about their faith are aware which is which.
Only a badly-educated fundamentalist would take the entire thing literally or dismiss the entire thing as myth.

As for the other point, I don't claim anything is the Word of God (though Christ is referred to as 'the Word). Rather, the New Testament is a collection of accounts of what the Apostles saw, heard, experienced, recollected and understood of Christ, plus letters from Paul instructing various churches in the theology he received from Peter and James.
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Your appreciation of history and culture is astounding.

Can you imagine what it would mean for mankind if God exists, and really did manifest in human form at precisely the right time and place in human history?
Well that Dawkins chap would look like a right twat for starters.


Probably a few wars, a bit of persecution, some arguments about what He did, or didn't say/or mean.
And that's before the alien theorists get involved.

So, we'd be exactly where we are now, only with photos of God(s) all over Facebook.
 
Your appreciation of history and culture is astounding.

Can you imagine what it would mean for mankind if God exists, and really did manifest in human form at precisely the right time and place in human history?
We tried that with Tony Blair (in his head at least). The results were not great.
 
Well that Dawkins chap would look like a right twat for starters.


Probably a few wars, a bit of persecution, some arguments about what He did, or didn't say/or mean.
And that's before the alien theorists get involved.

So, we'd be exactly where we are now, only with photos of God(s) all over Facebook.
That Dawkins chap does indeed, to the faithful, look a right twat.

I'd wager that, without Christ and His Church, current technology would be ~300 years behind where it's at now.
 
Bob, you must know a bit about lady boys ? Having worked in Cambodia and Vietnam for a long time.
For years they were never seen in Cambodia as the society there was very anti. I know this because my wife and I witnessed what happened when a band featuring a ladyboy singer was featured one night in a famous restaurant in Phnom Penh. They were booed off stage after one song.

Apparently- according to the Lonely Planet - (they featured in the ‘danger and annoyances’ section) they were a big pickpocketing threat in Saigon. Never saw them in the remote bits I worked in.

Thailand was the place. My wife and I would play ‘spot the kathoey’ working in places like Boots. We lived just up the road from Nana Plaza* and visitors would ask to see the place. I was given a one-beer visa by SWMBO** for escort purposes and it is notable over the years how every year more er, ‘specialist’ bars opened there.

* basically, ‘four floors of whores’.

** she knew how boring I was, and was essentially safe.
 
So the bible is the unexpurgated word of god, to be taken literally (divinity of Jesus, Mary etc) except where it's inconvenient, you know that's hypocritical at best and arguably blasphemy.

Back on topic I do hope this Orwellian thought police stuff gets squashed a bit by cases like this.

The bible is a work of fiction invented by those that wish to profit from mankind while using it to brow beat them into subservience, those that follow it are nothing more than deranged sheep that need to be slaughtered.
 

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Your appreciation of history and culture is astounding.

Can you imagine what it would mean for mankind if God exists, and really did manifest in human form at precisely the right time and place in human history?
Quite why is/was 2,000-some years ago the right time?

He could have usefully rocked up several times since. Now wouldn’t be a bad time, in fact. He could have a sharp word with a few people about contraception and over-population for a start.
 
Quite why is/was 2,000-some years ago the right time?

He could have usefully rocked up several times since. Now wouldn’t be a bad time, in fact. He could have a sharp word with a few people about contraception and over-population for a start.
Because the whole thing is hogwash, a tool for beating people down, making people feel inadequate, an excuse for people to abuse another human being, in the name of some sky pixie. Do something bad and you are absolved of all responsibility, donate your belongings and land to the church that will help you....what a crock of horse shit.
 
Quite why is/was 2,000-some years ago the right time?

He could have usefully rocked up several times since. Now wouldn’t be a bad time, in fact. He could have a sharp word with a few people about contraception and over-population for a start.
It's like asking why multiple cultures experience an enlightenment at roughly the same time - 500BC. Coincidentally around the time time as the last parts of the Old Testament were written...

Now is no good, because the world is drowning in narcissism, 'truths' and celebrity worship.
Christ and the Apostles lived within the Roman empire, where common languages were spoken, common currency was used, people listened to competing philosophies and travelled with relative freedom.
The Church was in the right time and place to rebuild Western culture, and bring it back from the 'Dark Ages' after the fall of Rome, and then give us scholasticism that provided the foundations for modern science.

Because the whole thing is hogwash, a tool for beating people down, making people feel inadequate, an excuse for people to abuse another human being, in the name of some sky pixie. Do something bad and you are absolved of all responsibility, donate your belongings and land to the church that will help you....what a crock of horse shit.
That's pretty ironic, because what you've just posted is a crock of pure shit.
 
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It's like asking why multiple cultures experience an enlightenment at roughly the same time - 500BC. Coincidentally around the time time as the last parts of the Old Testament were written...

Now is no good, because the world is drowning in narcissism, 'truths' and celebrity worship.
Christ and the Apostles lived within the Roman empire, where common languages were spoken, common currency was used, people listened to competing philosophies and travelled with relative freedom.
The Church was in the right time and place to rebuild Western culture, and bring it back from the 'Dark Ages' after the fall of Rome, and then give us scholasticism that provided the foundations for modern science.
Equally, one could argue that that was the trigger for development in one direction but that any number of other things may have been better - or worse.

I don’t see the church as the basis of all modern good. It’s consistently contested science, for example.
 
The church and other cults have done more harm than any other organisation, from wars and child abuse, to killing those that do not agree with it. Time the whole lot were treated as the businesses they are and taxed accordingly, or made illegal and their assets seized.
 
The church and other cults have done more harm than any other organisation, from wars and child abuse, to killing those that do not agree with it.
The 20th century has disproven that.

I don’t see the church as the basis of all modern good. It’s consistently contested science, for example.
Except it hasn't. One can't 'contest science', as if it was some homogenous authority. One can contest an individual hypothesis, a theory or method, an interpretation or whatever - that's precisely what scientists should be doing. Was the scientific community backward or stupid because it initially ridiculed Darwin's theory of evolution?
 
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It's like asking why multiple cultures experience an enlightenment at roughly the same time - 500BC. Coincidentally around the time time as the last parts of the Old Testament were written...

Now is no good, because the world is drowning in narcissism, 'truths' and celebrity worship.
Christ and the Apostles lived within the Roman empire, where common languages were spoken, common currency was used, people listened to competing philosophies and travelled with relative freedom.
The Church was in the right time and place to rebuild Western culture, and bring it back from the 'Dark Ages' after the fall of Rome, and then give us scholasticism that provided the foundations for modern science.
I would disagree with you on a couple of points there..

1. The Church of Rome, particularly through some of its Spanish franchises, seemed to be bent on choking off any scientific development for most of the middle ages. Astronomy, chemistry and medicine were all affected by restrictions and persecutions implemented by Rome. It was only after the emergence of the Protestant reformations such as Luther's that the development of medical and natural sciences were allowed to progress in the 16th C leading to the cultural enlightenments in the 17th and 18th C. It is no surprise that most of the scientific and engineering developents of the period came from countries and cultures which had broken away from the power of Rome. There is a reason why medicine in Scotland was ahead of the game in England in the 18th and 19th C!

2. Latin was used for most of the middle ages as a means of limiting and controlling power and authority, not for spreading knowledge. The movement to produce the Bible in "native" languages was fiercely resisted by Rome and many folk got roasted as a consequence..!

I can see the utility of religion as a means of tempering societies, the problem however is that, in common with many other political mechanisms, it is easy to game and hijack for ulterior (.. and usually selfish) outcomes.

We can see the process is still at work within Islam, and also in other identity based movements such as Stonewall! The road to hell was always paved with good intentions...!

Be very careful!
 
Your appreciation of history and culture is astounding.

Can you imagine what it would mean for mankind if God exists, and really did manifest in human form at precisely the right time and place in human history?
If only he/she/it would turn up at the Eurovision and proclaim..."Stop that it's silly"
 

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