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Private navy to engage Samoli pirates

Private navy goes to war on Somali pirates | The Sunday Times

I have long wondered why the world powers in the region, stretched thought they are, didn't simply have the container ships, tankers and others stage and sail convoy fashion.

What a treat it would be to see daily action results broadcast immediately following the sports report.
 
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An ex bootie mate of mine has been working out there on anti-piracy for the past 18 months (for extremely good money), he was saying they only usually have to fire a flare towards any approaching boats and the pirates tend to turn around and bugger off once they know there is security on board. Some have tried to board though, he says they wrap the railing around the ship in razor wire but the pirates try to fire grappling hooks at it to pull the wire off so they can board. ARRSERs will be pleased to know he's issued with an SLR as well!
 
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An ex bootie mate of mine has been working out there on anti-piracy for the past 18 months (for extremely good money), he was saying they only usually have to fire a flare towards any approaching boats and the pirates tend to turn around and bugger off once they know there is security on board. Some have tried to board though, he says they wrap the railing around the ship in razor wire but the pirates try to fire grappling hooks at it to pull the wire off so they can board. ARRSERs will be pleased to know he's issued with an SLR as well!

wtf-fire a flare at them !! ffs hes got an slr=600 meter warning shot then 500 meter start slottin the fckrs and continue till within flare range to see if any are still alive then use flare to burn skinnys till all are crisp and dried. !!
 

Bouillabaisse

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This bloke obviously has a mate at the sunday times. There are a fair few companies operating out there and at least one other has ships it uses, so a load of bollocks, lies and half truths in the article. Odd that he's starting this now when the incidence of successful attacks has fallen dramatically due to the presence of armed guards on ships and the actions of the regular naval forces in the area.
 
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Mmmmhhhhhh, did Jimbo caught Shortt's new health hazard hotel in Oxford come with a derelict boat or two by any chance?
 
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Any idea who's behind it? Pilgrims in Woking?

Its a group called Typhon. Board members include Dannett and Deverell.

I remain to be convinced that this is commercially viable, given decreasing appetite amongst the shipping industry for high cost security and increasing competition from alternative providers of cheaper services.

Fireplace,

Convoys are run by various naval forces but not mandatory.
 

jarrod248

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Its a group called Typhon. Board members include Dannett and Deverell.

I remain to be convinced that this is commercially viable, given decreasing appetite amongst the shipping industry for high cost security and increasing competition from alternative providers of cheaper services.

Fireplace,

Convoys are run by various naval forces but not mandatory.
where have yo been you delicious creature, i've missed you so much xx
 
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A private navy being founded in Hampshire....doesn't that make a mockery of the Magna Carta somewhat?
 
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And as if by magic Jarrod appears.
 
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Its a group called Typhon. Board members include Dannett and Deverell.

I remain to be convinced that this is commercially viable, given decreasing appetite amongst the shipping industry for high cost security and increasing competition from alternative providers of cheaper services.

Fireplace,
I'm confused.... There's no cheaper method for shipping by bulk other than by a ship ? Flying 250,000 tons of stuff is f**king expensive and slow. And the cost of a ship held by pirates plus it's cargo is far greater than the cost of paying for security that insurance agencies are increasingly keen on
 

The_Duke

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Kit,

I think that CarpeDiem is alluding to the now 100s of start up security companies. Some of these will put 3 armed Sri Lankans on board for a fraction of the cost of the "Private Navy", and probably achieve a broadly similar effect.

Xe (Blackwater as was) went the mothership with lots of armed RHIBs route several years ago. It looked great - over the horizon ISTAR capability, armed MD500 if required etc. The problem was, it cost so much that nobody was willing to pay for it.
 
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The problem with privatised military solutions is that they cure nothing. Like the old privateers in the caribean, when the war ended and they were no longer needed they all became pirates. Shipping losses actually doubled in peacetime!

A private navy will never cure piracy, it would put them out of business!
 
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Kit,

I think that CarpeDiem is alluding to the now 100s of start up security companies. Some of these will put 3 armed Sri Lankans on board for a fraction of the cost of the "Private Navy", and probably achieve a broadly similar effect.

Xe (Blackwater as was) went the mothership with lots of armed RHIBs route several years ago. It looked great - over the horizon ISTAR capability, armed MD500 if required etc. The problem was, it cost so much that nobody was willing to pay for it.
Quite-it's been a couple of years since I did Marsec and I'm glad I never went back to it. The words 'bubble' and 'burst' spring to mind. It's much the same as the Iraq module-huge gold rush to fill the need, new companies spring up out of nowhere with huge costs, Gravy train for a while-although wages for the blokes aren't as great as rumour suggests mostly, competition from S Africa and Eastern Europe (and the Far East in this case) massively undercut the UK/US firms, clients move to cheaper option. Result? Lots of guys who left the mob or jumped across from the sandpits find themselves laid off/out of pocket having shelled out £££ for courses that in some cases weren't needed but put cash back into the 'training providers' pockets.
Thats not to say that the chosen few aren't still getting work. As ever making the right connections are everything. Lots of disgruntled guys around. Glad I'm not one of them!
On a separate note and seeing as BW has been mentioned-people need to stop asking the 'when will Libya/Syria etc open up to PSC's?' question. It won't! There WILL be work there but not to the extent or form that people assume. The gold standard of how NOT to do things is the Iraq module ie BW etc. Foreign Govts will no longer allow foreigners to run around with guns in their country (and why should they?) as the risk to reputations is too much. We had the chance back in the day and unfortunately showed our arses via the idiots that joined the party. We all get tarred with the same brush.
 
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syledis

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We were there 2 years ago and had a French security company onboard, and what an bunch of chancers they were
 

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