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Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-the-fight-against-Islamic-State-in-Iraq.html

Iranian jets join allies in the fight against Islamic State in Iraq

First evidence of Islamic Republic forces fighting alongside the RAF to take control of towns from Isil in northern Iraq.

By Richard Spencer, Middle East Correspondent

8:02PM GMT 02 Dec 2014

British, American and other allied forces are now fighting directly alongside their former rivals Iran, according to new footage of the war in Iraq.

An Iranian jet has been filmed for the first time bombing positions of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil), during a battle for the town of Saadiya, north-east of Baghdad.

United State Air Force jets have been flying missions over Iraq since August, and the RAF since September.

Iranian advisers are known to have been embedded with the Iraqi army and militia forces fighting Isil. But this is the first proof that the Islamic Republic and the countries it famously termed the “Great and Little Satan” - America and Britain - are taking part in missions on the same side.

The footage was filmed on Sunday by an Al-Jazeera crew reporting on the key battle for Saadiya and Jalula, two towns north-east of Baghdad not far from the Iranian border.

Saadiya was captured in the great surge Isil staged across much of Iraq in June and became a major jihadist base, while Jalula, a mostly Kurdish town with some Sunni Arab presence, has exchanged hands on a number of occasions.

Al-Jazeera claimed the jet belonged to the Iraqi air force, which was given half a dozen Russian-built Sukhoi Su-25 ground attack jets by Iran at the outset of the war in June.

However, analysts from IHS Jane’s Defence identified the jet as a McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II, a relic of America’s pre-1979 alliance with the Shah’s Iran. The Phantom was a staple of the US Air Force in the Vietnam war.

The only other country still using Phantoms in the Middle East, Jane’s said, was Turkey, which has pledged not to take a direct part in the fight against Isil.

“This footage is the first visual evidence of direct IRIAF (Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force) involvement in the conflict,” Jane’s noted.

After Jane’s claims were drawn to their attention, Pentagon and British defence sources both confirmed that US and RAF personnel operating in Iraq were already aware of the Iranian air force’s presence.

Iran is not part of the formal coalition drawn up to take on Isil in Iraq and Syria, in which France and several Gulf nations are flying sorties as well as Britain and the US.

The British and American governments have always been keen to stress that there is no direct co-ordination with Iran.

But earlier in the autumn, American jets bombed positions in the town of Amerli north of Baghdad shortly before it was retaken from Isil by Iraqi ground troops assisted by Iranian-backed Shia militia.

As if to emphasise the point that the US was effectively providing air cover for an old enemy - many of those Shia militia fought against the American and British presence in Iraq after the 2003 invasion - Qasim Suleimani, head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard’s Al-Quds force, made a highly publicised victory tour of Amerli.

Mr Suleimani oversees all Iranian military assistance to Shia militias abroad, and is regarded as a powerful eminence grise of the regime.

Until his presence in Amerli, though, he rarely allowed himself to be photographed.

Despite the lack of formal collaboration, the Iranians, British and Americans seem to have an informal arrangement over zones of influence. According to regular Ministry of Defence and Pentagon releases, most coalition air attacks in Iraq are either in the north, in support of Kurdish forces fighting on a front line on the southern edge of the Kurdish autonomous region, or in western Iraq.

The Saadiya operation was near the Iranian border to the east.

“It is unlikely that Iran would become a fully fledged member of the coalition,” one defence source said. “But we hope that they would align themselves with the direction that the coalition are taking.” A Pentagon official was quoted by the Huffington Post website as saying that because the US was operating in Iraq with the permission of the Baghdad government, it could not put pressure on the Iraqis over the Iranian involvement.

“We’re there at the invitation of the Iraqi government, so it’s not for us to say what they should allow, what they shouldn’t allow,” the official said.

Nevertheless, the presence of Iranian, British and American forces fighting alongside each other is a sign of shifting alliances in the Middle East and warming ties, particularly as talks over the Iranian nuclear programme continue.

This closeness is causing unease in majority Sunni countries, particularly in the Gulf, which regards Iran as a major destabilising influence in the region - as do, officially, Britain and the US.

Until recently, both countries were insisting that the use of military force against Iran over its nuclear programme remained “on the table”.

Iran’s rivals, like Saudi Arabia, insist that there will be no solution to the Isil crisis until President Bashar al-Assad of Syria is removed.

Prince Turki bin Faisal, the influential former Saudi ambassador to both Britain and America, said yesterday that Iran should be forced to withdraw its support for Mr Assad.

Without Iranian support, Mr Assad would be gone in a few weeks, he said at a conference in London organised by the European Council on Foreign Relations on Tuesday.


 
Anyone who straps into an iranian maintained F4 deserves a medal. Props to the pilot and hope he sent a few jihad monkeys to interviews without coffee with Allan (may his rages remain bizzare and utterly random)
 
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What strange bedfellows war makes. If this report is true, this may help cool some of the nuclear talk rhetoric, and interesting that these alleged missions have occurred just after the deadlines for the talks were extended. Fancy that?
 

Ritch

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Do the Iranians still fly the F14 or has it been consigned to the scrap heap due to lack of parts?
 
Shouldn't really come as any surprise, those holding the reins of power in that region do not want to lose it to a load of looney tunes, simples.
After all, if they did lose their advantages from that power, how are any of the wives going to hop on the private jet for a week of shopping in Paris?
Expect Hermes and Yves St Laurent to start sponsorship of one of those F4s!
 
World in 'realpolitik undermines principle' shock.
 
Do the Iranians still fly the F14 or has it been consigned to the scrap heap due to lack of parts?

They still seem to, sort of. Depends on your definition of "flying condition" though, probably not in a big meaningful way. Seems to have a bunch of modified Russian HW under those airframes to keep them in a flyable condition.

F-14-IRIAF.jpg


http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/04/iranian-f-14-tomcat-camo/

Their Northrop F-5s are probably in far better condition since they were relatively easier to operate and maintain...
 
Or more accurately: "my friend who became my enemy and is now the enemy of my other enemy is now my friend again. Sort of."
Add 'for now' and you've aced it. Who said Westerners can't do regional politics? We're fitting in nicely with the local way of doing things.
 

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They still seem to, sort of. Depends on your definition of "flying condition" though, probably not in a big meaningful way. Seems to have a bunch of modified Russian HW under those airframes to keep them in a flyable condition.

F-14-IRIAF.jpg


http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/04/iranian-f-14-tomcat-camo/

Their Northrop F-5s are probably in far better condition since they were relatively easier to operate and maintain...

looks nice in that camo.
 

S0I

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The Iranians are the only rational State actor in the whole bloody region.
And it's it's Westerner friendly
 
The Iranians are the only rational State actor in the whole bloody region.
And it's it's Westerner friendly
They're as bad as the feckin rest of them but a bit smarter is all. Their much lauded (by some) capabilities in reverse engineering are a wee bit of an exaggeration as well. Much of their AF supply chain was imported on the black market and they had a fair degree of Israeli assistance at one stage. For spares read the following link and note the trials. I've held and examined a turbine blade for a J85 which was made in a UK factory for export to them as part of some scam. God knows what life they'd had got from it but it looked pukka even though it was pants.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce-tech.htm

Spreading parts of 747 around the Scottish countryside and supplying EFP's to attack UK forces is not Western friendly and making the duty big girls blouse cry on TV isn't either.
 

S0I

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They're as bad as the feckin rest of them but a bit smarter is all. Their much lauded (by some) capabilities in reverse engineering are a wee bit of an exaggeration as well. Much of their AF supply chain was imported on the black market and they had a fair degree of Israeli assistance at one stage. For spares read the following link and note the trials. I've held and examined a turbine blade for a J85 which was made in a UK factory for export to them as part of some scam. God knows what life they'd had got from it but it looked pukka even though it was pants.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce-tech.htm

Spreading parts of 747 around the Scottish countryside and supplying EFP's to attack UK forces is not Western friendly and making the duty big girls blouse cry on TV isn't either.


And shooting down Iran Air 655 was intended to make friends with them?
 
According to the Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson on AJ the Iranians have absolutely no involvement with any air campaign, but she didn't comment if any Air Force personnel had gone on leave to help their Shia brethren and taken their planes and armaments with them!
 
According to the Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson on AJ the Iranians have absolutely no involvement with any air campaign, but she didn't comment if any Air Force personnel had gone on leave to help their Shia brethren and taken their planes and armaments with them!

A bit like trying to drive your AFV432 home on leave, as happened a few times in BAOR!
 

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