Thirty men and one woman (all Muslims) charged with sexually abusing girls in West Yorkshire

straight in with the prison rape fantasies :mrgreen:
I am pretty certain the term for those who share prison rape fantasies is "closeted" rather than "straight".
 
No only me using the adjective. It isn't an insult; it is true,

I am not a racist. Religion isn't a race. its a system of beliefs. And you talk about thickerati.
I am a realist.
You are an apologist.

BTW my girlfriend is Muslim. Not that it matters though. The illegalna in the UK thinks its all a load of bollox.

Both are white.

Is that OK with you?
I'm not an apologist, you grumpy old virtue signalling silly.
 
I understand completely and perfectly what he did, it's just that the ' armature Judiciary' on here are still hammering him nearly three months later.
Because he jeopardised a trial and the recent appeal hearing also thought he may well have done, hence his retrial. The BBC haven’t because they haven’t broken any reporting restrictions. That’s the difference.
 
Best post on here so far - because you damn well know that they're not Buddhists.

However, despite all the wailing and accusations of gleefulness, you damn well know that the perpetrators are likely to be professed Muslims even before you read their names because - here's a thing - the Muslim population in the wider sense has a problem with paedophile gangs.

Turn this round another way: if we don't call them Muslim, then what do we call them? Or, to put this another way yet again, how would the animals in these gangs self-identify? Yes, they are not all Pakistani; we've seen Somalis, Afghanis and others involved, too. But, based on nothing at all (which no doubt will give the usual chisellers a way in), I bet they all describe themselves as Muslims.

Whether the wider Muslim community regards them as such is moot; @BarcelonaAnalPark has done a fine job in previous threads of helping to break this down into, shall we say, manageable, understandable segments. He's described how those in or from more metropolitan areas of Pakistan regard the individuals who do this (who tend to originate from a particular area of the same country) as backward hicks, and cannot understand how we have been dismissing life-changing criminal behaviour as 'cultural' for so long.

Yes, it is cultural. Not all Muslims are doing this, are complicit or condone it. That's errant nonsense, and everyone here knows it - or should do. But a large part of the justification is an 'us and them' attitude from the perpetrators. Non-believers 'don't matter'.

It's a rather discriminatory attitude - I won't say 'racist' because the usual chisellers will say, 'Oo, but it's not based on race, it's based on culture so it can't be racist.' Actually, those same chisellers chase their own tails. The point is that one grouping of people, howsoever one defines it, is preying (sic) upon another.

Yes, there is an issue with abuse within the Muslim community itself - something which, again, @BarcelonaAnalPark has highlighted.

Yes, there is an element of targeting 'easy meat' - which the less closed aspects of Western society enable, even before you get to the fact that some of these girls might have been described as 'at risk'.

Yes, it is true that the majority of sexual abuse in this country is committed by whites. Demographics drive that.

Yes, it's true that the majority of children in care in this country is white. Demographics again.

But proportionately the Asian population, in particular that principally from the northern part of the Indian subcontinent, is way over-achieving when it comes to the systemic procurement of young girls for mass abuse.

Anything else really is semantics. So, I'll come back to my original question: how would these people in these particular gangs self-identify? I bet you don't see them in synagogues or churches.

Start there.
 
Which neatly illustrates that you don’t understand what actually happened to TR or what he did.
I'm no fan of him but IIRC he filmed defendants outside court, a second offence. A bit silly. and potentially damaging to the prosecution 's case. He'd done previously and was sentenced to prison, but suspended.

The second time round he was sentenced within 5 hours of commiting the act, and apparently both judges made mistakes in dealing with the case.

Q&A: What did Tommy Robinson do wrong and why was he freed? | Daily Mail Online

Like I say, I'm no fan and believe he should be punished for twice putting in jeopardy a prosecution but his incarceration certainly raises some questions, if only for its initial speed and efficiency and then its lack of efficiency. Iirc his second trial was overturned and is to be re-shown in the future. I wouldn't have a problem with him being jailed again, fairly. And with due diligence. And account taken to time served and that he removed the offending videos on request.

As for things like ECK if you refuse to LISTEN, UNDERSTAND or even ACKNOWLEDGE a group of people's concerns it is unlikely that they will just fade away. wilful ignorance is just as much to blame for such group's existence as the more nefarious origins within the group itself. That's before you get to groups like antif a deliberately closing down debate.

for an example of the realisation of that lesson...

It's bigoted to be concerned about immigration.
Gordon Brown calls Labour supporter a 'bigoted woman'

People have "genuine underlying grievances" about immigration. I think the term 'perfectly valid' has also been used.
Blair: Reform EU to prevent Brexit

don't take my word for it. Listen to mr Brian warner.
 
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lasses aged around 14 would disappear for the weekend.
Victims, but willing victims IMHO
Who do you blame? the young girls or the men
@monkey123 You're a bit muddled in your thinking there, mate.

I don't doubt your observation that some of the victims appeared 'willing', but when a 30-year-old man grooms and has sex with a 14-year-old (of either gender), there's only one who should be condemned, and it's not the 14-year-old.

It’s statutory rape, regardless of the willingness of the victim.

Individual victims may have been ‘willing’, but that’s the whole point of the grooming process; to condition an individual into doing the bidding of the perpetrator.

And I very much doubt most (if not all) of the victims were willing to be pimped and/or gang-raped.

I appreciate your point about blaming the police, if by ‘police’ you mean the authorities who should’ve protected these children, singularly failed to do so and appear to have had a tin-ear to warnings of the scale of the criminal activity.

Ironically, your assertion that they were ‘willing’ victims is the first step down the road to the justification that the authorities used for inaction and would suggest that for some in this country education about paedophilia, grooming and rape is still required.
 
Have there ever been any "Catholic" sex gangs/nonces? If there have (though I'm sure it's a crime only committed by muslamics) can we condemn Catholicism and all its followers because of a few individuals (please?)

I went to a Catholic Boarding School (as the token Proddy-dog)
I believe its official title is the clergy
 
@RoyalGreenJacket is the (all muslims) in the title necessary? You posted it so it's a reasonable assumption.
If anything I'd say the fact that it was 'an organised gang in Huddersfield abusing little girls' negated the necessity to say it was 'all Muslims' actually.

Cleary some people like yourself are more concerned about people speaking out about this endemic issue we have with Muslims, than the actual many hideous instances like these where the perpetrators are nearly always 'all Muslims'.
 
Best post on here so far - because you damn well know that they're not Buddhists.

However, despite all the wailing and accusations of gleefulness, you damn well know that the perpetrators are likely to be professed Muslims even before you read their names because - here's a thing - the Muslim population in the wider sense has a problem with paedophile gangs.

Turn this round another way: if we don't call them Muslim, then what do we call them? Or, to put this another way yet again, how would the animals in these gangs self-identify? Yes, they are not all Pakistani; we've seen Somalis, Afghanis and others involved, too. But, based on nothing at all (which no doubt will give the usual chisellers a way in), I bet they all describe themselves as Muslims.

Whether the wider Muslim community regards them as such is moot; @BarcelonaAnalPark has done a fine job in previous threads of helping to break this down into, shall we say, manageable, understandable segments. He's described how those in or from more metropolitan areas of Pakistan regard the individuals who do this (who tend to originate from a particular area of the same country) as backward hicks, and cannot understand how we have been dismissing life-changing criminal behaviour as 'cultural' for so long.

Yes, it is cultural. Not all Muslims are doing this, are complicit or condone it. That's errant nonsense, and everyone here knows it - or should do. But a large part of the justification is an 'us and them' attitude from the perpetrators. Non-believers 'don't matter'.

It's a rather discriminatory attitude - I won't say 'racist' because the usual chisellers will say, 'Oo, but it's not based on race, it's based on culture so it can't be racist.' Actually, those same chisellers chase their own tails. The point is that one grouping of people, howsoever one defines it, is preying (sic) upon another.

Yes, there is an issue with abuse within the Muslim community itself - something which, again, @BarcelonaAnalPark has highlighted.

Yes, there is an element of targeting 'easy meat' - which the less closed aspects of Western society enable, even before you get to the fact that some of these girls might have been described as 'at risk'.

Yes, it is true that the majority of sexual abuse in this country is committed by whites. Demographics drive that.

Yes, it's true that the majority of children in care in this country is white. Demographics again.

But proportionately the Asian population, in particular that principally from the northern part of the Indian subcontinent, is way over-achieving when it comes to the systemic procurement of young girls for mass abuse.

Anything else really is semantics. So, I'll come back to my original question: how would these people in these particular gangs self-identify? I bet you don't see them in synagogues or churches.

Start there.
My bold.

You raise a good point: what would/do they self-identify as?

And is it relevant to their criminal activity?

The main-stream media, as well as the more extreme single-issue groups, lump them all under the banner of ‘muslim’ based (it seems to me) upon appearance and cultural background rather than known fact.

That’s a bit like saying I’m a White Irish Christian based on my appearance, education and cultural background and using that to discriminate, whereas I am in fact a White British Atheist.

Likewise, you wouldn’t see me in a church except to take photos of the frescos.

The propensity for using alcohol and drugs with the perpetrators would suggest that most (if not all) were also unlikely to have been going to their local mosque either.

Your point about their cultural background being muslim-based and considered to have likely coloured their attitude is an important distinction, though in my view it has been the authority’s historic failure to consider application of the law over perceived cultural sensitivities that is the primary reason for these groups existence, not the racial/cultural background.

They have been allowed to get away with it, and as stated earlier in this thread, the authorities have a lot of catching up to do, and I would argue haven’t been held to account nearly as much as they should’ve been.
 
They are pedophiles, child abusers and rapists, their religion really has nothing to do with it.
Really? You don't think the fact that in almost all of these instances of child grooming gangs almost all of the perpetrators are Muslims just happens to be a) coincidence or b) irrelevant?

Their religion is the common denominator in these crimes - it's got everything to do with their religion.
 
You raise a good point: what would/do they self-identify as?
To me, it's a good a counter to the 'race/religion/culture chisellers as any. The point is that perpetrators are of predominantly a given ethnicity, and their attitudes are based on an interpretation of a certain religion. Whether that interpretation is right or not doesn't matter - they see themselves as having a divine being's blessing by comparison with kafirs.

And is it relevant to their criminal activity?
See above.

The main-stream media, as well as the more extreme single-issue groups, lump them all under the banner of ‘muslim’ based (it seems to me) upon appearance and cultural background rather than known fact.

That’s a bit like saying I’m a White Irish Christian based on my appearance, education and cultural background and using that to discriminate, whereas I am in fact a White British Atheist.

Likewise, you wouldn’t see me in a church except to take photos of the frescos.
But, again, how do you describe them? To describe you as Christian in background is probably correct, in the sense that the culture you were brought up in is (forgive me the assumption here...) largely Christian in heritage. Some people will then say, 'Ah, but look at the Crusades.' Yes, but that was Christianity hundreds of years ago. The problem that Islam has is that many of those who profess to being followers exist in the Dark Ages and are heading backwards.

The propensity for using alcohol and drugs with the perpetrators would suggest that most (if not all) were also unlikely to have been going to their local mosque either.
Yes and no. The girls in question 'don't matter', so ply them with substances and booze. Equally, don't forget the breath-taking piety of some of those who profess to be religious.

Years ago, I went to a conference in the UAE. The hotel concierge was a Scouser. He used to hate Thursday nights because the Saudis would come down en masse, get pissed, gamble, screw Russian hookers and trash the hotel rooms. The same Saudis would then be back home and in the mosque next day being good men of religion... Saudi Arabia: one of the most 'religiously conservative' countries in the world.

For many (not all, I know personally some Muslims who are good adherents and wonderful people), religion is paid lip service to. But they still profess to be one religion or another, and good adherents (I'd count many Christians I know in this, too; venomous bastards who see themselves as 'better' than me because they go to church.)

Your point about their cultural background being muslim-based and considered to have likely coloured their attitude is an important distinction, though in my view it has been the authority’s historic failure to consider application of the law over perceived cultural sensitivities that is the primary reason for these groups existence, not the racial/cultural background.

They have been allowed to get away with it, and as stated earlier in this thread, the authorities have a lot of catching up to do, and I would argue haven’t been held to account nearly as much as they should’ve been.
The tribally based block vote from certain communities, along with the race card, played to their advantage by certain 'community leaders', and cravenly pursued by a certain political party which can't see that the votes it gets are only a means to an end for those same community leaders, not an endorsement of multiculturalism/integration, nor of socialism. Ask yourself why Jeremy Corbyn's having a bit of a problem with accusations of anti-Semitism right now - and why these prosecutions never happened under a Labour government.
 
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Really? You don't think the fact that in almost all of these instances of child grooming gangs almost all of the perpetrators are Muslims just happens to be a) coincidence or b) irrelevant?

Their religion is the common denominator in these crimes - it's got everything to do with their religion.
The Mooslamics are Catholics??
 

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