Third of Recruits Drop Out

oldbaldy

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#1
A third of Army recruits are dropping out of basic infantry training, new Government figures show.

More than one in three soldiers who sign up to serve in the infantry are quitting before the end of the tough 24-week training course or else fail to meet the minimum standard required by the Army.

The figures, which show the number of recruits who drop out rising sharply over the past four years, have emerged only days after a Ministry of Defence report revealed that the Armed Forces are now more than 5,000 men and women under strength.

The growing casualty rate in Iraq and Afghanistan, where a soldier and a Royal Marine were killed last week, and the low pay of trained infantry soldiers have been identified as factors persuading recruits to leave early.
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#2
Only one third. We must have dropped our standards. Only half of my training party finished. Surely the idea is to keep the cream and get rid of the cr*p, so there must be wastage.

C_of_J
 
#3
Rather that 1/3 didn't get to the front line and cause mayhem.

There will always be wastage, young lads join up and then don't like it, or can't hack the lifestyle. It will always be like that.

1/3 seems excessive but.
 
#4
In 1984 when I was an Instructor at Strensall York the Drop out rate was about 30% nothing has changed. Its none news. However the Kings Div alone probably had 10 Platoons in Training at anyone time during my two years there. Dont know the figures now.
 

ugly

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#5
IJLB in 1981 about 1/3 made the grade!
 
#6
So Two thirds of all recruits joining the Infantry, sucessfully complete there 24 week training and make the grade!

Sounds better if we spin it!!
 
#7
But that would make the Army sound like it was doing something right.
 
#8
chocolate_frog said:
But that would make the Army sound like it was doing something right.
The army IS doing something right........

Just the backing and support from this Gov that isn't right........

Sorry, Sunday morning at work and ready for a proper rant
 

RP578

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#9
Of the third that fail CIC, does anyone know if they are encouraged to transfer to Other Arms & Services?

Not everyone is cut out to be an infantryman, but might make a suitable Signalman, Gunner, Cavalryman or Medic etc. It would make sense to direct the non-hackers towards Corps rather than straight out to civvy street.
 
#11
RP578 said:
Of the third that fail CIC, does anyone know if they are encouraged to transfer to Other Arms & Services?

Not everyone is cut out to be an infantryman, but might make a suitable Signalman, Gunner, Cavalryman or Medic etc. It would make sense to direct the non-hackers towards Corps rather than straight out to civvy street.
I think RP578 has a good point there. If say half of the "failed" 1/3 could make the grade in a Corps then that would be beneficial to the Army as a whole and obviously less "wastage" of funds.
 
#12
Even at ATR Winchester I saw a lot of people drop out. But when you actually see some of these guys, it's completely understandable why they leave. I don't think the Army is doing anything wrong, it's almost a completely pointless story to report on. Do they suggest that they make training easier? This is wrong.
 

ugly

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#13
Some of the people are failing phase 1 so not of any use to the ACF even!
 
#14
"The growing casualty rate in Iraq and Afghanistan, where a soldier and a Royal Marine were killed last week, and the low pay of trained infantry soldiers have been identified as factors persuading recruits to leave early".

If this was the case, they wouldn't have joined in the first place surely?
 
#15
Certa_Cito said:
RP578 said:
Of the third that fail CIC, does anyone know if they are encouraged to transfer to Other Arms & Services?

Not everyone is cut out to be an infantryman, but might make a suitable Signalman, Gunner, Cavalryman or Medic etc. It would make sense to direct the non-hackers towards Corps rather than straight out to civvy street.
I think RP578 has a good point there. If say half of the "failed" 1/3 could make the grade in a Corps then that would be beneficial to the Army as a whole and obviously less "wastage" of funds.
We did get several guys from other corps and regiments come into the
Air Corps - quite a few from the Paras who had dropped out.
 

ugly

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#16
Yes perhaps in the days of regy or div depots but nowadays surely all phase 1 is the same?
 
#17
When I went through basic (for a corps, not inf) in 1994 my troop went from about 35-40 down to about 20 before the fifth week weekend leave. Some of them were med discharges before they even started training proper, some couldn't hack it, some were injured.

I think a major problem isn't with the training, FFS don't make it any easier. I think that the main problem is actually in the recruiting, maybe some recruiters here could correct me. But it seems that with gobment targets and political correctness and the general lack of public support, the recruiters are having to let a lot of people through their door that maybe a few years ago they would have turned around with a simple "I don't think the Army is right for you mate". As I say I don't know what the reality is but if the carrers offices are anything like any other aspect of modern British life then they have to be REALLY careful to be able to explain the reasons for turning people away in case they are seen as being sexist, racist, fatist or chavist. So it is probably easier just to let them try their luck and maybe some of them will get through. Just an opinion as an outsider.

Another thing that probably doesn't help is when you get the guys in training, they go home on leave and find all of their friends making a lot more money than them just sitting around on benefits. Why would they want to go on soldiering when they can get more for doing nowt.

Sort out the initial process and sort out the treatment of young soldiers once they are in.
 
#18
IIRC during my Trade Training we had a couple of guys come over to us from the Infantry and apart from being top blokes, they also ended up as top Tradesman.
 

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