Thinking of applying..

#1
Yeh, the subject title says it all really. I'm 18, left 6th Form, and just been going from job to job since i left reli.. Been thinking of joining the Army for well over a year and as i'm about fit enough to pass the physical my application is filled and ready to go..

However, I finally let my parents know and well, they hit the roof almost. And now them as well as my friends seem to be spending every possible moment, listing about 100 reasons (some true, some just bull) about why it would be a bad idea to sign up.. :evil:

And obviously this is begining to put a dampner when i think about applying.. So to try and regain some of that enthusiam, i would some of u guys opinion's about whether you would honestly recomend it..?

Now i'm not daft enough to belive everything they say on the news but reorts from actual soldiers about conditions in the barracks, not getting the right equipment when you're on operation in Iraq or whereever, and all the rest off it. Is this as bad as it sounds or jsut the media talking out their rear ends as usual?

So... thoughts?

cheers for any advice.
 
#2
With regards your parents, I had the same trouble with mine when I was considering joining the Navy full-time. They'll probably come around to it eventually if you show them how much joining up means to you and that it's not just a passing interest.
 
#3
If you post the 100 reasons why you shouldn't I'm sure we could post another 100 reasons why you should!!
 
#4
Reason No 1:
You will never make mates again like the mates you make in the Army and they will be there for you your entire life.

Reason No 2:
You will get the best training int the world in your chosen career all paid for and you see the world at the same time.

Reason No 3: etc
 
#5
I've had some great times in the Army, I've also had some god awful times in the Army, some of which I wouldn't wish on anyone....but as Mick pointed out, your mates are for life, and together you'll manage to pull through whatever gets thrown at you.....smiles, laughs, and no doubt some tears, but you'll get through.

You'll never know anything like that in civvy strasse.

My advice is go for it, if you want to......basic is desigend to weed out the half-arsed recruits, so only join up if it's what you want to do.

You'll look back in 15 years time and regret it if you don't.
 
#6
You will get to do things that you civvy mates would never, ever in 100 lifetimes be able to do.
 
#7
I agree with all the previous posts on this topic, you will make freinds for life I regard the people I served with as the 'salt of the earth' never found any better never will.
 
#8
Who else gets to fire weapons, tab the globe, eat like a king one day and eat like a tramp the next. The highs and lows are what make the forces the best fecking job in the world, go for it because you will only look back in years to come and hate yourself for not doing it.
 

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#9
Karl_uk, you might wish to take the moral highground with your parents and friends and quote this:

"No man who is not willing to bear arms and to fight for his rights can give a good reason why he should be entitled to the privilege of living in a free community." - Theodore Roosevelt

On the other hand, if they are not in the mood for philosophical debate then the argument is more simple. You are 18 years old and have the legal right to do pretty much what you want within the confines of the law. That includes volunteering to serve in H M Forces.

All that said, the reasons given by others in this thread are reason enough to join up but from my perspective:

1. Mates will be mates for life, civvies will never understand your bonds.
2. You will be joining an honourable, decent profession and doing something worthwhile with your life.
3. If you turn out to be a decent soldier, you will never regret joining. There are a huge number of soldiers and officers who stay in as long as they can because it is a good life - that has to say something positive.
4. You will regret not joining.
5. Even if you don't like it if you do join and you leave as soon as you can, the experience will shape your life and make you a better person.
6. A lot of the time it can be a great laugh.
7. It is challenging, can be hard graft but it is rewarding at a deep, personal level.

As for the bad news/media etc. Sh*t happens. No Army always gets it right every time and there is much to hold the Government to account for but on the whole it does not detract from a rewarding profession and a fundamentally decent way of life. Ultimately you may be called upon to lay down your life for your friends and, by default, your country but you will have chosen to do this on your own terms and it is the risk you take, if you sign on.

Think hard about the last sentence above, come to terms with it but do not be put off by parents and friends. Make a decision and stick with it - hopefully you will join up and we will gain a decent young man who will become a decent soldier. Good luck.
 
#10
Speedy said:
You will get to do things that you civvy mates would never, ever in 100 lifetimes be able to do.
My thoughts exactly..

in regards to the reasons why they dont want me to..

mainly along the lines off...

You'll be sent to some god forsaken place, blah blah

Could you actually kill someone?

Accomidation, kit, training is cr@p - altho they've got this from talking to ppl, like family friends etc who know people in the army.

They're the major ones just shortnened down reli.

I mean they're probly party right, tho those reasons in themsleves wouldn't put me of.

Cheers for the positive feedback tho :D wat i need to hear :)
 
#11
Karl_uk said:
Speedy said:
You will get to do things that you civvy mates would never, ever in 100 lifetimes be able to do.
My thoughts exactly..

in regards to the reasons why they dont want me to..

mainly along the lines off...

You'll be sent to some god forsaken place, blah blah

Could you actually kill someone?

Accomidation, kit, training is cr@p - altho they've got this from talking to ppl, like family friends etc who know people in the army.

They're the major ones just shortnened down reli.

I mean they're probly party right, tho those reasons in themsleves wouldn't put me of.

Cheers for the positive feedback tho :D wat i need to hear :)
You could run over someone in your car tomorrow.

If you didnt live at home, where would you be living? Perhaps some dirty stinking student hovel somewhere

You will no doubt be sent off somewhere, I spent 3 months in Canada it was fantastic and I managed to get a Mountaineering Qual out of it.

One of the key things you said there was talking to people that know people in the Army. You are getting it straight from the horses mouth now.

Tell 'em you going, end of.

(By the way way, what do you want to do?)
 
#12
Ozzymick said:
If you didnt live at home, where would you be living? Perhaps some dirty stinking student hovel somewhere

You will no doubt be sent off somewhere, I spent 3 months in Canada it was fantastic and I managed to get a Mountaineering Qual out of it.

One of the key things you said there was talking to people that know people in the Army. You are getting it straight from the horses mouth now.

Tell 'em you going, end of.

(By the way way, what do you want to do?)
Yes you're right about the hovel thing there m8..

And no its not.. something i can throw back in there faces for a change. It's like "my mum's friend's, friends, daughter" who's coming up with these amazing thoughts. So you're right, they dont really have the right to lecture me about something they dont really know that much about.

And not exactly 100% sure on what career to take in the Army. I was gona wait till i do the barb? test is it? the aptidude test anyway to see what i would be best suited to.

Also one other major thing they keep throwing in my face is.. Say i joined as an Infrantry soldier, i would obviously learn learn how to fight but would i actually get any qualifications/skills that could be used in Civillian life other than like a bouncer or sumit (No offence to any1 here, im just trying to clear this up :p ).

So will they only let you study for qualifications directly related to your job? Or say i was an Infantry soldier would i be unable to study like a management course or something along those lines.?
 
#13
Only one reason required...

Every man that has ever walked the face of this earth and has not had the courage to enlist, secretly regrets the fact they have not been nor ever will be a British Soldier.

FACT.
 
#14
The Army has plently of chances for you to get more qualifications.

Being Infantry doesn't neccessarily mean you have to be a brain dead thug as there are many that arent.

You get out of it what you put in. You could specialise in driving for example, go to the education dept and look at studying for a degree.

The world is your oyster and as dirk-the-turk says you will secretly regret it if you don't.
 
#15
Karl_uk said:
Ozzymick said:
If you didnt live at home, where would you be living? Perhaps some dirty stinking student hovel somewhere

You will no doubt be sent off somewhere, I spent 3 months in Canada it was fantastic and I managed to get a Mountaineering Qual out of it.

One of the key things you said there was talking to people that know people in the Army. You are getting it straight from the horses mouth now.

Tell 'em you going, end of.

(By the way way, what do you want to do?)
Yes you're right about the hovel thing there m8..

And no its not.. something i can throw back in there faces for a change. It's like "my mum's friend's, friends, daughter" who's coming up with these amazing thoughts. So you're right, they dont really have the right to lecture me about something they dont really know that much about.

And not exactly 100% sure on what career to take in the Army. I was gona wait till i do the barb? test is it? the aptidude test anyway to see what i would be best suited to.

Also one other major thing they keep throwing in my face is.. Say i joined as an Infrantry soldier, i would obviously learn learn how to fight but would i actually get any qualifications/skills that could be used in Civillian life other than like a bouncer or sumit (No offence to any1 here, im just trying to clear this up :p ).

So will they only let you study for qualifications directly related to your job? Or say i was an Infantry soldier would i be unable to study like a management course or something along those lines.?
you can get qualifications in line with your job, and also, i believe there is good support for soldiers studying in there own time. open university and such are all possibilities. as we were told on ADSC, you can get discounts and such via various learning credits.

i know an ex infantry guy who has more qualifications then i have hairs on my head, and hes not even 40, including a degree in psychology. its all down to you. if you put in the time you can leave in very good standing, equally if you piss your time and money away on beer and dancing girls at every opertunity, then you probably wont come out with as much.
 
#16
someone said to me once that you properly will have more chance off getting run over than you will have off getting shot

TRAINING is the best in the world i wont find out intill dec 3rd but like people have said what ever you gain from your training will prepare you for life

you will and i hopefully will meet the friends who will have your back and you have theres


and one last thing go for it... and so far it the best thing i have done in my life

good luck dude
 
#17
Hi Karl_UK

I've only just decided to join the Army and I'm working on my fitness now, but in the past I have done and not done things to please other people. I regret a lot of that but I know not to let anyone stand in the way of me joining the army.
I hope you understand what I mean by that!!

Basically I wanted to say; don't let anyone put you off something you want to do.

Sometimes people don't want to see others (even their friends) suceed, it shows up how unsuccessful they are.

I assume you've been doing research into the Army which is very good, as I'm know you are aware of the commitment you would be making. But all the people who are trying to put you off joining haven't done any research - they are less informed than you are.

It is your decision perhaps you would like to take your parents to the Army Careers Office so they can ask a few questions.

Good luck
x
 
#18
Soldier-Poet said:
Karl_uk, you might wish to take the moral highground with your parents and friends and quote this:

"No man who is not willing to bear arms and to fight for his rights can give a good reason why he should be entitled to the privilege of living in a free community." - Theodore Roosevelt

On the other hand, if they are not in the mood for philosophical debate then the argument is more simple. You are 18 years old and have the legal right to do pretty much what you want within the confines of the law. That includes volunteering to serve in H M Forces.

All that said, the reasons given by others in this thread are reason enough to join up but from my perspective:

1. Mates will be mates for life, civvies will never understand your bonds.
2. You will be joining an honourable, decent profession and doing something worthwhile with your life.
3. If you turn out to be a decent soldier, you will never regret joining. There are a huge number of soldiers and officers who stay in as long as they can because it is a good life - that has to say something positive.
4. You will regret not joining.
5. Even if you don't like it if you do join and you leave as soon as you can, the experience will shape your life and make you a better person.
6. A lot of the time it can be a great laugh.
7. It is challenging, can be hard graft but it is rewarding at a deep, personal level.

As for the bad news/media etc. Sh*t happens. No Army always gets it right every time and there is much to hold the Government to account for but on the whole it does not detract from a rewarding profession and a fundamentally decent way of life. Ultimately you may be called upon to lay down your life for your friends and, by default, your country but you will have chosen to do this on your own terms and it is the risk you take, if you sign on.
Think hard about the last sentence above, come to terms with it but do not be put off by parents and friends. Make a decision and stick with it - hopefully you will join up and we will gain a decent young man who will become a decent soldier. Good luck.
Some excellent points here, I couldnt of said it better and for all the benefits and brilliant times you will have always remember the bit in bold.
Regarding the sh*t you here on the news about kit and accomodation the majority is rubbish especially when you see the equipment we do get on Ops. Unfortunately there sometimes are bad cases amongst the 100,000 squaddies ot there. You take the rough with he smooth and in 20 years ive had more smooth than rough and still see lads i was at school with till stuck in the same dead end job and house since they left school 22 years ago whilst ive lived around the world.
 
#19
Hey Karl_uk, I was in the same boat as you about a year ago. I secretly wanted to be a soldier since i was a about 8 never told anyone as i thought they wouldn't agree with it etc.. So i finished school suppressed the thought of joining the Army, Went to college and studied IT which i do like to do and thought hey get a job in IT when i leave. But i found with working part time that i prefer a active job hell i know it was only a tesco but i just couldn't see myself sitting in a office for 9 hours tapping away.

I finally went online first to look at the TA got info pack through had the why did you ask for this from the parents just said im interested went to a local TA unit to see what its all about.

After decided i would rather go regs, Had a family dinner where i was being asked when i'm going to leave tesco and get a proper job this when i picked to tell everyone that i wanted to go into the Army regs. I got laughed at as im not a massive bloke and told you wont hack it bla bla bla. When i said well i don't give a f**k what you think im going to give it my best shot, Then the old questions started can you kill someone, the equipment issues etc.. My Dad and Nan were the worst. When my nan said you wont do it i said when i pass out you can eat you words, to my dad i just said i don't care what you think/say its not changing my mind.

Started to run, go to the gym, Britmilfit etc... Went to the local ACO. My mum and sisters saw i was deadly serious my mum just said i dont want you to do it but i cant stop you i will support you but don't ask me to get you out if don't like it etc...

Well what can i say everything is different now i had my interviews and got full support off my mum, dad and sister etc.. Went to selection with full support got deferred with a heart mummer and they saw how much it kicked me down. But i got the all clear and waiting on another date to go back. It weird to me how much everyone changed my dad now i think proud to say to other people my son is trying to get in the army he now records everything which is army related like commando and panromma from Monday. They even brought wrist bands from Help For Heroes for everyone in my family which before they would of just read and moved on.

Jesus! Sorry didn't mean to give you my life story but i think it shows how very anti'ish forces people come round to the idea of what you want when your deadly serious about it. My advice would be get you arse down to a ACO maybe ask for a look at life week just see if its what you want it will show your family and friends you want it and they will probably start supporting you.

My reason for joining are: Career would love to do full 22 years, Life friends, See the world, Get trained in trades and simply do a job i want to do.
 
#20
My parents aren't happy about me joining (I start at catterick in january) but its tough really, if you base your whole life around making other people happy then its not much of a life. I'm doing this for me because its all I've ever wanted to do. My personal opinions is this; joining the army is not something you do on a whim, its not like starting a college course and then deciding its not for you. You have to 100% want it right from the beggining, and be 100% commited in your decision to join.
 

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