Things to do with fuzes

#1
A question for all those technical types

On finding a badly damaged L116 fuze should you
a. leave it alone? :D
b. mark it and call the people who make things go away? :D
c. take it back to your office and use it as a paperweight? :roll:

If you answer A or B you are 99% of the population
If you answered C your are destined for greatness of rank - but exactly how many sandbags are required to make said item go away without trashing the rest of your office? :oops:

and discuss........ :wink:
 
#2
threaders_vm said:
No, you discuss. Obviously some loser from a pie eating arty regt has fucked up in a major way. Name and shame him you behind your user name hiding, yellow backed worm.
So ............ go on go on go on go on go on ...........
We want to know.
 
#3
Depends:

If (in the most unlikely case) it has been removed from a blind, then you should use the person who moved it as tamping, ensuring you use at least a full box of PE4 as that person obviously has a head full of lead.

If it has just been knocked about a bit, leave it, report it to ATO who will move it outside and destroy it.

Sandbags will only miigate frag. Overpressure will still trash the office.
 
#4
The bloke who's office this was is a very good friend of mine and he was given these fuses years ago, there is no danger from these fuses, just a small minded, jobsworth ATO, trying to make a name for himself. could of easily picked them up and scraped them as they set themselves back to safe after 6 hours. :evil:

SOTB
 
#5
safe_on_the_board said:
The bloke who's office this was is a very good friend of mine and he was given these fuses years ago, there is no danger from these fuses, just a small minded, jobsworth ATO, trying to make a name for himself. could of easily picked them up and scraped them as they set themselves back to safe after 6 hours. :evil:

SOTB
I have a number of problems with your post:

1. You appear to find it acceptable for people to retain explosive items.

2. Jobsworth ATO. Really - ATO will only have been called at the behest of someone else or if the items had been spotted by the ATO during an ammunition inspection or other visit. If you think it is jobsworthy for someone to actually do their job then you are clearly a knob. Personnally i never get embaressed when i am imposing explosive safety.

3. I'm glad you know so much about the munition, it is just this kind of short sightedness that causes so many pointless incidents because people think they know more than they actually do. You are suggesting that an L116 fuze, once fired and blind, will be re-usable after 6 hours. Alternatively you could mean that the capacitor will be considered discharged 2 hours after firing and is then safe to approach - IT IS NOT SAFE TO MOVE. This is the reason it has limited uses during training and virtually none during combined arms training, as troops cannot move into the area immediately after L116 have been used.

The L116 fuze has been in subject to a lengthy ban due to a breach explosion.

Certain batches of the L116 have been withdrawn from service due to explosive/chemical migration.

All explosives are subject to degradation and over a period of time this can lead to a change in their make up, in many cases explosives can become extremely sensitive to shock, heat and/or friction thus negating any safety and arming mechanisms within the munition. Any detonating fuze will easily take your hand off if not kill you.

However if you think this is wrong and me and any othere ATOs are just a bunch of jobsworths then please pop over to BATUS and you can fire off the 386 L15s that are fuzed with suspect fuzes. It will save me and the lads a defuze/refuze task and we can fcuk of skiing.

Alternatively you could just think about what you are posting, idiot. :x
 
#7
WRAPJOBAGAIN said:
and his office looks nice now ha ha.
Piccies on here please.

Were they blown in situ? If so why?
 
#8
WRAPJOBAGAIN said:
dingerr said:
WRAPJOBAGAIN said:
and his office looks nice now ha ha.
Piccies on here please.

Were they blown in situ? If so why?
oh yes they was blown in situ. was to unstable to move :muhaha: :wink: and plenty of sand bags. there for some time piccies. wait out on this.
Of course they were.

Mega

Edited to add:

Were they blind?
 
#9
So, a similar tale...

I was in my HQ (all snuggly and safe) in Baghdad a while back, when all hell broke loose. All the alarms went of for rocket attack and the like, we all donned the necessary.

A while after it transpired that a US patrol had returned to the Ops Room in the next building to ours with a LIVE ROCKET!! Discussion went a bit like this:

IS National Guardsman: "Sir, we found this rocket on our patrol, so bought it in for safe disposal" Drops rocket at feet of duty Officer.

Duty Officer legs it and hits panic button...

We had to laugh. Later.

This story sounds good however. cant wait for phots
 
#10
safe_on_the_board said:
The bloke who's office this was is a very good friend of mine and he was given these fuses years ago, there is no danger from these fuses, just a small minded, jobsworth ATO, trying to make a name for himself. could of easily picked them up and scraped them as they set themselves back to safe after 6 hours. :evil:

SOTB
Not wishing to dive into a great Gunners discussion but having messed around with the L116 a few times I would not suggest they are safe in anything but their designed area of use, and even then they are getting a bit old and dodgey in my mind.

Even if they do reset after 6 hours, the nice sensitive booster pellet will have had a lovely battering if it's been fired and I wouldn't want to pick one up.

But if you are really interested in the correct answer I can wander down the end of the office and ask the Design Authority what he thinks ;)

S_R
 
#11
just cause it didn't go bang the first time does'nt mean it can't :roll:
I suppouse this good friend is hard at work on fres :twisted: anyone's stupid enough to put live things that could go bang in an office deserves to have office blown up and will probably go far in mod :twisted:
 
#12
Sympathetic_Reaction said:
safe_on_the_board said:
The bloke who's office this was is a very good friend of mine and he was given these fuses years ago, there is no danger from these fuses, just a small minded, jobsworth ATO, trying to make a name for himself. could of easily picked them up and scraped them as they set themselves back to safe after 6 hours. :evil:

SOTB
Not wishing to dive into a great Gunners discussion but having messed around with the L116 a few times I would not suggest they are safe in anything but their designed area of use, and even then they are getting a bit old and dodgey in my mind.

Even if they do reset after 6 hours, the nice sensitive booster pellet will have had a lovely battering if it's been fired and I wouldn't want to pick one up.

But if you are really interested in the correct answer I can wander down the end of the office and ask the Design Authority what he thinks ;)

S_R
Don't bother - I'll hazard a guess - He did What :?

Fuzes can always come back to bite your arrse. Anybody remember the M412 fuze from the 66mm that hurt sombody some of us knew? Stopped his wanking career for a while.

However - how did the fuze unscrew itself from the shell during flight? Surely to God nobody was stupid enough to take it off a blind.
 
#13
rickshaw-major said:
Don't bother - I'll hazard a guess - He did What :?
Not far off....he actually said...'not another one!!'.....


I think he is still shocked from the time the police walked into the office with a box and dropped it on his desk and said....'what do we do with these'....at which point we vacated the office for a few hours!!!
 
#14
Ladies and Gentlemen...Safe On The Board has now left the building......through numerous exit points.
 
#15
Safe On The Board,
The problem is that the small minded, jobs worth ATO trying to make a name for himself is listening, and if you want to question my technical ability I suggest you start by becoming a technical authority.
In my defence I can say with some certainty - "You Sir, are a Dick!".
 
#16
Flying Felix said:
Safe On The Board,
The problem is that the small minded, jobs worth ATO trying to make a name for himself is listening, and if you want to question my technical ability I suggest you start by becoming a technical authority.
In my defence I can say with some certainty - "You Sir, are a Dick!".
TEE HEE :D

So F-F - how did the fuze get out of the shell?
 
#17
crow-wood said:
Why would you fool around with fuzes..?
I remember that Army Training News used to carry copies of accident reports relating to misuse of ammunition etc. One old copy of ATN had a report about two infantry soldiers who found an fired (but not gone bang) 84mm charlie george HEAT round on Warcop ranges. Instead of reporting it and keeping well clear they threw it at a rock, and kept on throwing it about, until it went off. I think one of them lost a hand, the other an eye.

It's one thing to mess about with T-bangs but this pair must have been seriously stupid.

:eek:

Rodney2q
 
#18
Sorry Rickshaw,

As I am tasked to conduct the ammunition accident investigation I can't comment on any part of the incident in public.
 

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LE
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#20
Rodney2q said:
crow-wood said:
Why would you fool around with fuzes..?
I remember that Army Training News used to carry copies of accident reports relating to misuse of ammunition etc. One old copy of ATN had a report about two infantry soldiers who found an fired (but not gone bang) 84mm charlie george HEAT round on Warcop ranges. Instead of reporting it and keeping well clear they threw it at a rock, and kept on throwing it about, until it went off. I think one of them lost a hand, the other an eye.

It's one thing to mess about with T-bangs but this pair must have been seriously stupid.

:eek:



Rodney2q
Squaddies do this its some sort of daftness that infects them when they are unsupervised or pished!
However having watched ATO play from far too close for anything other than curiosity I have the utmost respect for them, it wont stop me blowing things up though! :twisted:
Edited to add: its not just Infantry, those that should know better often dont, see the sapper c0ck up threads!
 

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