Things must be bad! The Government is outsourcing itself!

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How can making British workers unemployed (Thus costing us money in benefits, loss of tax revenue and of course loss o disposal income tha would be spent in our own country) make any kind of economic sense.

Nice to see the government true to form on its "British jobs for British worker" lie.... And they can't even blame the EU on this one.

Or maybe they will try to blame the Lazy" British worker, about 50 of whom are chasing each job vacancy.

And they wonder why labour voters are flocking to the BNP?
 
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The_Coming_Man said:
How can making British workers unemployed (Thus costing us money in benefits, loss of tax revenue and of course loss o disposal income tha would be spent in our own country) make any kind of economic sense.
Unfortunately it makes good economic sense for the council. They save salary and numerous "on costs" (pension, sick etc.). The cost of unemployment comes from a different budget. Ergo they make savings.
 
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Common idiotic non-holistic thinking....

We'll save x% of wages by employing a contract/outsourcing from OUR own little budget.

But we'll forget about the XXX% we will add to the nations budget in welfare/pension/early payout payments.

We have to pay for the British people in one way or another. Either in wges or as dole... makes little sense to have a function that SHOULD be British carried out by a forigen national, when we will have to pay the British national dole if they are working.

Worse by paying foriegn nationals, they take the money OUT of UK and don't put it back in thorugh taxes, VAT or buy from British shops et.c
 
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Is there any chance that they could outsource:

Hain; Harman; Hodge; Hewitt; Hoon; both Kinnocks; Ainsworth; Mr. Mandelson; Bradshaw (ditto); 'Gorbals' Mick; Mr. Foulkes; Bliar; Cherry Bliar, and most urgently of all, - 'Clown' Brown ?
 
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Don't worry, somebody's got it covered...

£1bn scheme to create 'soft jobs'

A billion pounds is to be spent on creating tens of thousands of "soft" public sector jobs for unemployed people including dance assistants, tourism ambassadors and solar panel engineers.

The taxpayer-funded jobs are being created by councils, quangos and charities under a Government scheme to remove 150,000 people from the unemployment register over the next two years.

The first 47,000 jobs in the scheme, costing about £300 million, are to be announced on Wednesday by Yvette Cooper, the Work and Pensions Secretary.

The list of new vacancies - most of which will be filled by 18-24 year olds - will include sports coaches, classroom assistants and social carers, department sources said last night.

Cont/...
 
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Well I'm just glad we pump all that aid money into India too. Wouldn't want the nuclear/space power to starve would we?

What does this Government have against the British people?
 
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The_Coming_Man said:
What does this Government have against the British people?
Some 'Brits' have jobs.
Some 'Brits' are white Anglo Saxon Christians.
Some 'Brits' are loyal to their Sovereign.
Some 'Brits' own property.
Some 'Brits' enjoy an above average standard of living.
Some 'Brits' like 'political freedom'.
Some 'Brits' went to public schools.
Some 'Brits' are honest and truthful.
Some 'Brits' are heterosexual.
Some 'Brits' pay for private health insurance.
Some 'Brits' speak properly and use grammar.
Some 'Brits' have no criminal records.
Some 'Brits' do not enjoy being ruled by Brussels.
Some 'Brits' see through the spin and obfuscation of the government.
Some 'Brits' are not illegal immigrants
Some 'Brits' vote Conservative.

Just a few seconds' worth of reasons there.
 
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\i'd create road crews. Canel crews, graffitti crews....

Then call centres to control then.

All manned by anyone who turns up.... 40 hours per week nets you minimum wage. No houseing benefits or dole or (in 99% of cases) disabilities.

Road crews to work 24/7 on road works (until the job is done). clean the roads, pick up litter etc. canal crews dig out hte canals to make them workable, grafiti crews clean u the cities of crap pictures and litter.

If you see some litter you phone a help line... which goes to a blind/disabled etc person - possibly in their own house. ANd they direct the crews to the area.

This in turn requires supervisors to monitor the work - more jobs.

A special selection of unemployed could become "green" workers... those who work in the parks and conservations areas.

Otehrs could become "bin men" using horse drawn carriages on a DAILY basis. They would look after and shoe horses and then in a gorup of 4 or so, collect all the waste from the areas... seperated into paper, gelbe, bio etc.

This could be delievered to the local prison, who would sort it for recycling.

No work would mean no pay.
 
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chocolate_frog said:
\i'd create road crews. Canel crews, graffitti crews....

Then call centres to control then.

All manned by anyone who turns up.... 40 hours per week nets you minimum wage. No houseing benefits or dole or (in 99% of cases) disabilities.

Road crews to work 24/7 on road works (until the job is done). clean the roads, pick up litter etc. canal crews dig out hte canals to make them workable, grafiti crews clean u the cities of crap pictures and litter.

If you see some litter you phone a help line... which goes to a blind/disabled etc person - possibly in their own house. ANd they direct the crews to the area.

This in turn requires supervisors to monitor the work - more jobs.

A special selection of unemployed could become "green" workers... those who work in the parks and conservations areas.

Otehrs could become "bin men" using horse drawn carriages on a DAILY basis. They would look after and shoe horses and then in a gorup of 4 or so, collect all the waste from the areas... seperated into paper, gelbe, bio etc.

This could be delievered to the local prison, who would sort it for recycling.

No work would mean no pay.
Clipping the old bayonet on, what? :lol: I agree though, when I was unemployed umpteen years ago I would have preferred to have swept the streets or something in return for my dole money, and do not understand why we do not have some such scheme in place. In addition to maintaining self respect and keeping busy, a good work record would look better on a CV rather than a gap in one's employment record.
 
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Can we outsource our government and Parliament as well?

Somewhere more efficient and democratic?

Plenty of places would tick that box....how about Zimbabwe??
 
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MrPVRd said:
Can we outsource our government and Parliament as well?

Somewhere more efficient and democratic?

Plenty of places would tick that box....how about Zimbabwe??
They already do that it's called the EU.
 
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chocolate_frog said:
All manned by anyone who turns up.... 40 hours per week nets you minimum wage. No houseing benefits or dole or (in 99% of cases) disabilities.
So are you implying that only 1% of those receiving some sort of disability benefit are genuine cases? I sincerely fcuking hope not!

This isn't the first time you've spouted this shite and while your master plan might have some merit, I really suggest you go away and read a little about those on disability benefits, perhaps even talk to a few and you'll suddenly find out that not all are the malingerers you seem to think we are.

You seem to know a little about a lot and of course a little knowledge can be dangerous and especially if in the wrong hands.
 
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mistersoft said:
chocolate_frog said:
All manned by anyone who turns up.... 40 hours per week nets you minimum wage. No houseing benefits or dole or (in 99% of cases) disabilities.
So are you implying that only 1% of those receiving some sort of disability benefit are genuine cases? I sincerely fcuking hope not!

This isn't the first time you've spouted this shite and while your master plan might have some merit, I really suggest you go away and read a little about those on disability benefits, perhaps even talk to a few and you'll suddenly find out that not all are the malingerers you seem to think we are.

You seem to know a little about a lot and of course a little knowledge can be dangerous and especially if in the wrong hands.
Oh, FFS, here we go again.... (as explained MANY times previous)

No, I am NOT suggesting that 99% of disabilities claimants are swinging the lead. What I AM suggesting is that in a system which rewards work with money (which essentially what the above is) that many "disabled" would be able to work in some function.

ie an inclusive system that incudes ALL.

It seems quite odd that people draw the conclusion the above idea is to "punish".

One of the key benefits, in my mind, is that it doesn't encourage stagnation and a sense of entitlement.

It also promotes health, as people would be out and about, and not drinking, drug taking etc.

As an aside it also would prevent fraud... hard to hold down two jobs if one requires 40 hours a week!!!

Of course you could assume I am out to fcuk the afflicted and unemployed with my zero (perceived) contact with them.....

Maybe you'd like to accuse me of victimising wounded soldiers next?

The 1% I allude to being not covered aren't the ones I beleive are "truelly" disabled, but the ones who are truely unable to function....

Like a little lad I knew called A***, who despite being unable to much at all still was able to carry the baton for the Commonwealth games....

But, hey, apparently all people I have et, worked with and even family members are swing the lead....

I'll tell them all next time I pick my mrs up from a disabled swim session or my mum from her job as a Special needs TA :roll:
 
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Never thought I'd say this but...
If the cost and standard of living in India is so much lower that their wages are affordable, if we want to carry on enjoying the standard of living in Britain then we will have to pay for it with higher taxes.

Indeed, I would vote this way, if I had any confidence that more than 50% of any revenue earned in tax isn't pissed away immediately via PFI's, dodgy quangos, bad short-sighted decisions and fraud.
 
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Mistersoft

Don't read this link.

Specialist Staff - An All-Autistic Workforce

It describes how acompany punishes an autistic workforce by forcing them to work instead of just receiving benefits....

A company in Denmark - probably the first in the world - has a workforce solely comprising autistic people. It's founder, Thorkil Sonne, was inspired after seeing his autistic son drawing a map of Europe off the top of his head. He realised that talents like that are too valuable to be wasted; it's simply a question of finding the right business environement for them. The company recently recieved an order from Microsoft, and Specialisterne is now set to expand to Germany and the UK.
 
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chocolate_frog said:
Oh, FFS, here we go again

Exactly what I thought

.... (as explained MANY times previous)

Not to me

No, I am NOT suggesting that 99% of disabilities claimants are swinging the lead.

Then why imply it?

What I AM suggesting is that in a system which rewards work with money (which essentially what the above is) that many "disabled" would be able to work in some function.

I would like an idea of how you are able to assess somebody's disabilities and I mean you personally

ie an inclusive system that incudes ALL.

It can't. Many are unable to work no matter how much you would like them to

It seems quite odd that people draw the conclusion the above idea is to "punish".

Quite right, slavery was abolished in 1833 but as long as a disabled person can drag himself to a PC then that's fine by you

One of the key benefits, in my mind, is that it doesn't encourage stagnation and a sense of entitlement.

For some disability is not a lifestyle choice

It also promotes health, as people would be out and about, and not drinking, drug taking etc.

So it doesn't just get them work, it's a wonder cure as well and you leave my beer alone

As an aside it also would prevent fraud... hard to hold down two jobs if one requires 40 hours a week!!!

In some cases it might. Two jobs? Get fcuking real!

Of course you could assume I am out to fcuk the afflicted and unemployed with my zero (perceived) contact with them.....

Fcuking dead right there and probably the only thing we'll ever agree on

Maybe you'd like to accuse me of victimising wounded soldiers next?

Don't be childish

The 1% I allude to being not covered aren't the ones I beleive are "truelly" disabled, but the ones who are truely unable to function....

Define function

Like a little lad I knew called A***, who despite being unable to much at all still was able to carry the baton for the Commonwealth games....

Not exactly regular work is it?

But, hey, apparently all people I have et, worked with and even family members are swing the lead....

Are they? I'd report them

I'll tell them all next time I pick my mrs up from a disabled swim session or my mum from her job as a Special needs TA

You do that
Edited to add: I did say your master plan has SOME merit but as far as those on disability are concerned, you're way off the mark.
 
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chocolate_frog said:
It describes how acompany punishes an autistic workforce by forcing them to work instead of just receiving benefits....
Thanks for the link. As requested, I didn't bother reading it. If autism was the only disability then maybe just maybe your plan might work. But it isn't so it won't!
 
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mistersoft said:
chocolate_frog said:
No, I am NOT suggesting that 99% of disabilities claimants are swinging the lead.

Then why imply it?

My implication is your misreading, what I meant to imply was that the majority of UK can work in some capaicty another. Not that anyone was lieing about their condition.

What I AM suggesting is that in a system which rewards work with money (which essentially what the above is) that many "disabled" would be able to work in some function.

I would like an idea of how you are able to assess somebody's disabilities and I mean you personally

I'd prefer to leave that to the professionals but I'll have a stab at it.

Daily Mail

Now, apparently he is blind, but can watch a big screan TV... So set him up with a big Monitor for a PC, a phone and a comfy chair. And he receives calls regarding cones, graffiti, litter, fly tipping etc. And he enters them on to the big screen PC, with appropriate details and priorty.

Put him on a English course, to ensure literacy and a customer relations course for that sort of stuff.

Useful to the community? or a infringement on his rights?


ie an inclusive system that incudes ALL.

It can't. Many are unable to work no matter how much you would like them to

er, this is acknowledged in the bit where I say 1%... admittedly there may be a higher percentage.

It seems quite odd that people draw the conclusion the above idea is to "punish".

Quite right, slavery was abolished in 1833 but as long as a disabled person can drag himself to a PC then that's fine by you

how is this slavery? Am I not a slave too? I work for my (and my families) living.

One of the key benefits, in my mind, is that it doesn't encourage stagnation and a sense of entitlement.

For some disability is not a lifestyle choice

yeah, yu see you are focussing on the victim bit again. I am aware it is not a choice, but given the choice my life style would be that of a oil baron... it isn't so I am not.

It also promotes health, as people would be out and about, and not drinking, drug taking etc.

So it doesn't just get them work, it's a wonder cure as well and you leave my beer alone

i wouldn't call it a wonder cure.

As an aside it also would prevent fraud... hard to hold down two jobs if one requires 40 hours a week!!!

In some cases it might. Two jobs? Get fcuking real!

Could you explain that comment? My point about fraud is simple... they are paid for what they work. They can't claim dole and then work in a hairdressers (as per the advert) for example.

Of course you could assume I am out to fcuk the afflicted and unemployed with my zero (perceived) contact with them.....

Fcuking dead right there and probably the only thing we'll ever agree on

and a point you would be woefully wrong to beleive... much like the remainder of your outrage

Maybe you'd like to accuse me of victimising wounded soldiers next?

Don't be childish

it's happened before, when I pointed out disabled could work
 
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