Things hotting up with Turkey

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Allegedly a Greek Mirage 2000 crashed after a dog fight with Turkish fighter jets that violated Greece´s airspace

According to AirLive

Greek Military says there was no dog fight

Pilot missing, huge search and rescue operation underway. Navy vessel dispatched to search the area while fate of jet’s pilot remains unknown.

Greek media says that the aircraft was returning from an alleged dog fight with Turkish F-16.

Turkish military announced that there was no Turkish aircraft in the region.

How long can Turkey stay in NATO ?, surely it's a matter of time before they come to blows with a fellow member whether the US or Greece
 
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Zeinab Bedawi on BBC News 24 "Hard Talk"interviewing President Erdogan of Turkey. This was first shown on the 14th May. I missed most of it but have found a link which can be watched from the UK and should be up for the next 9 months: BBC News Channel - HARDtalk, Recep Tayyip Erdogan - President of Turkey

S400 missiles get a mention. He says he went to the Russians as the USA would not sell him missiles. He says he wants Assad to go; that Assad uses poisons when it suits him and presides over Syria with terror. Erdogan would like a political solution and quoted the two main options. Zeinab asks the questions in English. President Erdogan answers in Turkish for which English subtitles are provided.

I was pleased to note that Zeinab did not wear a head covering, unlike certain politicians we could mention who have done when there is absolutely no compulsion to do so.

Zeinab used to work with John Snow on Channel 4. I noted that she was appointed to the advisory board of the New College of the Humanities. Erdogan is no walkover.
 
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A test for Republican resolve and Trump's skills at diplomacy.

'WASHINGTON—Amid unprecedented strains in U.S.-Turkey ties – with Ankara’s traditional advocates and apologists on Capitol Hill running for cover – the Armenian National Committee of America has launched a petition drive asking U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Majority Leaders Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) to schedule an immediate up-or-down vote on H.Res.220, a bipartisan genocide-prevention measure that draws upon the lessons of the Armenian Genocide and the broader Ottoman Turkish genocidal campaign to destroy Armenian, Greek, Assyrian, Chaldean, Syriac and other Christian nations on their biblical-era homelands.

'H.Res.220 is a humanitarian measure that speaks to both the human rights and religious freedom aspects of U.S. leadership in the prevention of genocide and other atrocities. It specifically encourages the U.S. government to draw upon the lessons of the Ottoman Empire’s 1915-1923 genocide of Armenians and other Christians in order to help prevent modern-day atrocities against religious and ethnic minorities. The Armenian Genocide has been recognized by 48 U.S. states and more than a dozen NATO allies, including Germany and France. The Eisenhower and Reagan administrations each went on record recognizing the Armenian Genocide, but recent U.S. administrations have, avoided using this term, in deference to Turkey’s irrational sensitivities.'


House Republican Leaders Urged to Allow Vote on Genocide Bill
 
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A test for Republican resolve and Trump's skills at diplomacy.

'WASHINGTON—Amid unprecedented strains in U.S.-Turkey ties – with Ankara’s traditional advocates and apologists on Capitol Hill running for cover – the Armenian National Committee of America has launched a petition drive asking U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Majority Leaders Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) to schedule an immediate up-or-down vote on H.Res.220, a bipartisan genocide-prevention measure that draws upon the lessons of the Armenian Genocide and the broader Ottoman Turkish genocidal campaign to destroy Armenian, Greek, Assyrian, Chaldean, Syriac and other Christian nations on their biblical-era homelands.

'H.Res.220 is a humanitarian measure that speaks to both the human rights and religious freedom aspects of U.S. leadership in the prevention of genocide and other atrocities. It specifically encourages the U.S. government to draw upon the lessons of the Ottoman Empire’s 1915-1923 genocide of Armenians and other Christians in order to help prevent modern-day atrocities against religious and ethnic minorities. The Armenian Genocide has been recognized by 48 U.S. states and more than a dozen NATO allies, including Germany and France. The Eisenhower and Reagan administrations each went on record recognizing the Armenian Genocide, but recent U.S. administrations have, avoided using this term, in deference to Turkey’s irrational sensitivities.'

House Republican Leaders Urged to Allow Vote on Genocide Bill
I'm not sure what lessons can be drawn from the Armenian genocide that haven't been ignored many times over the intervening century. The timing of the Armenian National Committee of America is spot on though with Turkey dealing with a renewed round of fighting on its southern border, a consequent flood of refugees and the US trying to kill its economy. Russia is looking like a good friend lately.
 
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They might just get one as Erdogan goes on with his single-minded eradication of any opposition no matter where he thinks they are.

Despite Turkey’s present economic crisis...in part caused by his policies and direct intervention, he is still hunting down anyone he suspects of being a Gulanist.
Turkish lira crisis: Lira PLUNGES as president Erdogan escalates row with banking sector

In the meantime he is calling the US ‘wolves seeking to destroy him’ and seems to be moving closer to Russia all the time.
 
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I was pleased to note that Zeinab did not wear a head covering, unlike certain politicians we could mention who have done when there is absolutely no compulsion to do so.
Why would she? There is no compulsion anywhere in Turkey (save the inside of a Mosque) for women to wear headscarves. Erdogan favours them, but that's about it.
 
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Erdogan would seem to have played his hand rather well in this latest climacttic (for the moment...but fading) crisis with the Khashoggi affair.

His target is MbS, who may, or may not, be removed. Politics is a notorious field for tectonic shifts, or, being forgotten if another should suddenly arise, 24 hours being a long time in politics

Saudi is a US ally and Turkey was, but under Erdogan's somewhat erratic hot and cold that is presently under review. Turkey/Erdogan is seriously embarrassing KSA, a seriously good thing, though Turkey is a fine one to be pointing the finger. Perhaps a serious stench of hypocrisy arising like some silent megaflatulant eruption of Turkish ‘Delight’ in this turn of events...but awkward for not only the US but other Western nations which no doubt pleases Erdogan

It will certainly be interesting to see how the F-35 affair plays out since to have both the F-35 and the S-400 is clearly a security risk too far, for the US, UK, every other F-35 operator, and not least NATO.

Turkey is in interesting times and Erdogan has a wealth of external diversions to redirect the population’s attention to his single minded accumulation of absolute power, but he still has some tricky paths to negotiate.
 
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Why would she? There is no compulsion anywhere in Turkey (save the inside of a Mosque) for women to wear headscarves. Erdogan favours them, but that's about it.
And PMTM didn’t wear head covering in Ankara when she met Erdogan January last year.
 
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While some it is bollocks worthy of Grey Fox, including that no member state can be 'kicked out' of NATO, there are some interesting points in the op ed.

'The increasingly snug relationship between Turkey, Iran and Russia has developed into an axis of rogue actors. On the surface, Tehran and Moscow are the main backers of the oppressive Syrian regime while Erdogan superficially backs the Syrian opposition. The budding and blossoming coziness was borne of their militant, virulent opposition to US involvement eastern Syria.'

KEELEY: Russia Reminded Us It’s Time To Kick Turkey Out Of NATO
 
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While some it is bollocks worthy of Grey Fox, including that no member state can be 'kicked out' of NATO, there are some interesting points in the op ed.

'The increasingly snug relationship between Turkey, Iran and Russia has developed into an axis of rogue actors. On the surface, Tehran and Moscow are the main backers of the oppressive Syrian regime while Erdogan superficially backs the Syrian opposition. The budding and blossoming coziness was borne of their militant, virulent opposition to US involvement eastern Syria.'

KEELEY: Russia Reminded Us It’s Time To Kick Turkey Out Of NATO
Turkey needs to go, tbh. They are not an ally by any means.
 
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While some it is bollocks worthy of Grey Fox, including that no member state can be 'kicked out' of NATO, there are some interesting points in the op ed.

'The increasingly snug relationship between Turkey, Iran and Russia has developed into an axis of rogue actors. On the surface, Tehran and Moscow are the main backers of the oppressive Syrian regime while Erdogan superficially backs the Syrian opposition. The budding and blossoming coziness was borne of their militant, virulent opposition to US involvement eastern Syria.'

KEELEY: Russia Reminded Us It’s Time To Kick Turkey Out Of NATO
That article is complete drivel; huge conflations and factual errors. I know I’ll be accused (again) of being a Turkeyphile but there’s no love lost between Turkey and Russia. Turkey has had to accept Russia as a de facto neighbour, in spite of having lost numerous wars with them. There is doubt that the S-400 purchase will go ahead; NATO has not opposed it although many countries have expressed concern. Moreover it appears that the US might now agree to sell Patriot to Turkey; negotiations have been underway for over 20 years. Separately in 2017 Turkey signed a huge deal with Eurosam to develop an indigenous A2AD system, to deeply in the late 2020s.

Mr Keeley seems to doubt that an attempted coup took place. It did and I was there. It was disaffected elements of the Army and Airforce who knew they would be sacked; the Gülenist entryism had placed officers and NCOs on key roles. About 270 people were killed; some were machine gunned from rogue attack helicopters only 1500 m from my apartment.

And, in spite of what people may think, autocratic Erdogan was democratically elected in free, though not particularly fair, elections. Part of his voter base are the Kurds in SE Turkey who prefer to vote for him rather than for the more liberal HDP who are meant to be the pro-Kurd party. There is concern about his alleged Islamist policies but can anyone name one that has actually been implemented? Fancy having Islamic-flavoured policies in a country where 95% of the population are nominally Muslims?

There’s nothing nice about the PKK or their sister body the PYD, in Syria. They have killed perhaps 40,000 People in their Communist-inspired struggle over the last 35 years; I’ve seen their handiwork closeup; indeed felt the blast wave from a car bombing in 2016 that killed 27 people boarding a bus. Meanwhile the US provides lethal aid to the YPG...and facilitating the establishment of Kurdish autonomous region across northern Syria through the expulsion of the Syrian Arab population- and then abandons them.

Friendly with Iran? They’ve been regional rivals for 1000 years. Turkey (though still nominally a secular state) is overwhelmingly Sunni; Iran is Shia. The Twain shall never meet. Again this is an extension of the Kemalist foreign policy of no enemies on the doorstep.
 
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