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There's no kill like a guns kill

Oops! Shades of RAFG.

'A Russian fighter jet was accidentally shot down out of the sky during military exercises by a pilot who did not know their plane had cannons which had not been disarmed, according to reports.

'Russian media have been speculating about the fate of the Russian air force Sukhoi Su-30 during a military exercise in the Kuvshinsky district of the Tver region, north east of the capital Moscow on Tuesday.

'The official version given by Russia's western military district was that the plane had crashed during a planned training flight, the crew safely ejected before the aircraft hit the ground in a forest area and no one was injured on the ground.

"To establish the causes and circumstances of the incident, a commission from the Western Military District has been sent to the scene of the accident," the military's press service said, according to state news agency Interfax.

'Russian Su-30SM, SU-35S and SU-34 jet fighters fly over Red Square during a Victory Day air show on May 9. A Su-30 was reportedly hit by a fellow Russian jet during military exercises in the Tver region. Oleg Nikishin/Getty Images

'A military channel on the social media platform Telegram said that the aircraft had actually been attacked in a training battle by the next generation Sukhoi SU-35S fighter, which even though it was not carrying missiles, had its cannons still loaded.

'While trying to simulate a "kill" on its gun camera, the Su-35S pilot accidentally fired the cannon in an account of the incident that was reported in Russian mainstream media outlets.

"The Su-35S and Su-30 practiced aerial combat, the Su-35S was supposed to perform photographic shooting, but instead fired a real volley from a cannon at the Su-30," according to a Russian military blog, reported by Defense World.

'Kommersant reported the Su-35S pilot will have to face criminal proceedings for the incident under Art. 347 of the Russian Criminal Code of the Russian Federation for the damage or destruction of military property by negligence.

'There have been other recent friendly fire incidents in Russia's military. In April 2017, a Mig-31 from Russia's eastern military district was brought down in the Buryatia republic by another MiG-31 whose pilot had mistakenly fired an air-to-air missile.'


 
Oops! Shades of RAFG.

'A Russian fighter jet was accidentally shot down out of the sky during military exercises by a pilot who did not know their plane had cannons which had not been disarmed, according to reports.

'Russian media have been speculating about the fate of the Russian air force Sukhoi Su-30 during a military exercise in the Kuvshinsky district of the Tver region, north east of the capital Moscow on Tuesday.

'The official version given by Russia's western military district was that the plane had crashed during a planned training flight, the crew safely ejected before the aircraft hit the ground in a forest area and no one was injured on the ground.

"To establish the causes and circumstances of the incident, a commission from the Western Military District has been sent to the scene of the accident," the military's press service said, according to state news agency Interfax.

'Russian Su-30SM, SU-35S and SU-34 jet fighters fly over Red Square during a Victory Day air show on May 9. A Su-30 was reportedly hit by a fellow Russian jet during military exercises in the Tver region. Oleg Nikishin/Getty Images

'A military channel on the social media platform Telegram said that the aircraft had actually been attacked in a training battle by the next generation Sukhoi SU-35S fighter, which even though it was not carrying missiles, had its cannons still loaded.

'While trying to simulate a "kill" on its gun camera, the Su-35S pilot accidentally fired the cannon in an account of the incident that was reported in Russian mainstream media outlets.

"The Su-35S and Su-30 practiced aerial combat, the Su-35S was supposed to perform photographic shooting, but instead fired a real volley from a cannon at the Su-30," according to a Russian military blog, reported by Defense World.

'Kommersant reported the Su-35S pilot will have to face criminal proceedings for the incident under Art. 347 of the Russian Criminal Code of the Russian Federation for the damage or destruction of military property by negligence.

'There have been other recent friendly fire incidents in Russia's military. In April 2017, a Mig-31 from Russia's eastern military district was brought down in the Buryatia republic by another MiG-31 whose pilot had mistakenly fired an air-to-air missile.'


Vodka was involved somewhere along the line, guaranteed.
 

Yokel

LE
Was it Vodka, or was it symptomatic of the autocratic system that exists under Tsar Putin? Saying no is not allowed, and pointing out that unsafe things were occurring is not encouraged.

A very similar all Russian shootdown happened to so long ago. Is the country starting to rot due to toxic leadership?
 
Well. It's safe to say our good old British RAF would never make a similar blunder.
At least the F4 jockey told the Jag mate to eject in that case!
 
Was it Vodka, or was it symptomatic of the autocratic system that exists under Tsar Putin? Saying no is not allowed, and pointing out that unsafe things were occurring is not encouraged.

A very similar all Russian shootdown happened to so long ago. Is the country starting to rot due to toxic leadership?
"Starting" to rot?

What do you think it's been doing since, well, about the last 200 years? Wall to wall, thick as pigshit peasantry.
 
If he gets 4 more will he be an Ace?
 

chimera

LE
Moderator
 
Well. It's safe to say our good old British RAF would never make a similar blunder.
Last I heard, as our F-35’s are not getting the gun pack, a guns kill is unlikely.
 
If he gets 4 more will he be an Ace?

Not trying hard enough, or maybe trying too hard?

'On September 21st, 1956, as DataGenetics explains, a Grumman test pilot flying a Tiger off the coast of Long Island dropped his nose twenty degrees and pointed it at an empty spot of ocean. He fired a brief, four second burst from his four Colt Mk.12 20-millimeter cannons, entered a steeper descent, and hit the afterburners. A minute later, his windshield suddenly caved in and his engine started making funny noises, eventually conking out as the pilot attempted to return to Grumman's Long Island airfield.

'The test pilot had assumed he had been the victim of a bird strike, but the accident investigation revealed another cause: in his fast descent, the pilot had actually flown into his own stream of 20-millimeter cannon rounds. Although the rounds had a head start (the air speed of the aircraft plus the muzzle velocity of the rounds) they slowed quickly due to drag passing through the surrounding air. The rounds decelerated, the Tiger accelerated, and the two reunited in the sky, with fatal (for the aircraft) consequences.'


 

Yokel

LE
"Starting" to rot?

What do you think it's been doing since, well, about the last 200 years? Wall to wall, thick as pigshit peasantry.

Do you really believe that the people are in some way inferior? Maybe they just do not have the benefit of a tradition of democracy and the rule of law, so autocratic rule is accepted with little resistance?

They also have a drinking culture - see the recent loss of another floating dock in a Russian shipyard.

More Rimmer than Ace

In a Russian jail, nobody can hear you get gay abuse.

Last I heard, as our F-35’s are not getting the gun pack, a guns kill is unlikely.

They are jointly run with the RN. Just thought I would mention it.
 
Do you really believe that the people are in some way inferior? Maybe they just do not have the benefit of a tradition of democracy and the rule of law, so autocratic rule is accepted with little resistance?

They also have a drinking culture - see the recent loss of another floating dock in a Russian shipyard.



In a Russian jail, nobody can hear you get gay abuse.



They are jointly run with the RN. Just thought I would mention it.
Thanks. Last report I saw on the gun pack said the UK was not going to purchase any.
 
Do you really believe that the people are in some way inferior? Maybe they just do not have the benefit of a tradition of democracy and the rule of law, so autocratic rule is accepted with little resistance?

They also have a drinking culture - see the recent loss of another floating dock in a Russian shipyard.



In a Russian jail, nobody can hear you get gay abuse.



They are jointly run with the RN. Just thought I would mention it.
Thank you for your service.
 
At least the F4 jockey told the Jag mate to eject in that case!

I posted this a while back on another thread



“I was sent on a Flight Safety Officers course at the RAF building in Holburn, London in 1984. This incident was still a hot topic and was referenced in nearly every lecture and discussion over four days as to 'the way not to do things'.

On the final day of the course we had a visit to AAIB at Farnborough to see how they conducted accident inquiries. We were having a brief by the head psychiatrist when he said 'I'd l;ike to have a word about the F4/Jag event. There was an audilbe groan from the room and he laughed and went on to list the reasons why "all the holes in the cheese" lined up that day and the crew were definately let down by the system.

Briefly the crew manned up in an unarmed aircraft but when that one went u/s the only available F4 was one that had just come off QRA and as it was at the heat of the Cold War the aircraft was fully armed. The only measure to counter this was to put some tape over a switch (or circuit-breaker - I can't remember). Sure enough thing conspired in the cramped cockpit and the tape came off (the rear-crew lad was quite hefty, perhaps it was a factor) thus rendering the aircraft fully-armed so when the crew went through their drills, WHOOOOOSH!

That's not the best bit though, as the trick-cyclist finished his brief he said 'If anyone needs more detail of this incident ask him!' And he pointed to one of our course-mates. 'He was in the back seat of the Phantom’ The poor guy had sat for a week though all the lessons and briefings and not said a word!”
 
Sure enough thing conspired in the cramped cockpit and the tape came off (the rear-crew lad was quite hefty, perhaps it was a factor) thus rendering the aircraft fully-armed so when the crew went through their drills, WHOOOOOSH!

A phat Phantom phucker in RAFG; who'd have thought!
 

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