Theres hope for the country yet

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maninblack

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You lot either have short memories or were too young to have served in the armed forces whilst Mrs Thatcher's gang of fools sold off the assets, closed the military hospitals, disbanded regiments and presented us with a South American war that had to be fought with poor kit and a broken aircraft carrier.
 
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The picture may conjure warm fuzzy feelings,and 'call me Dave' may be making some half intresting noise atm,but do you really think he will deliver?

Politico's have traditionally been a vortex of integrity in our society,but ZANU NL have set a new low which,I fear,the tories are under no obligation to rectify.

I will be a little more upbeat when I have a EU referendum polling card in my hand.
 
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maninblack said:
You lot either have short memories or were too young to have served in the armed forces whilst Mrs Thatcher's gang of fools sold off the assets, closed the military hospitals, disbanded regiments and presented us with a South American war that had to be fought with poor kit and a broken aircraft carrier.
And you must have been slipping into senile diddery dodderiness for the last 11 years :)
 

maninblack

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msr said:
maninblack said:
You lot either have short memories or were too young to have served in the armed forces whilst Mrs Thatcher's gang of fools sold off the assets, closed the military hospitals, disbanded regiments and presented us with a South American war that had to be fought with poor kit and a broken aircraft carrier.
And you must have been slipping into senile diddery dodderiness for the last 11 years :)
I wouldn't deny it, young Padwan.

Between falling asleep in my chair and smelling of cabbage I have noticed that nasty little lawyer, his box mouthed spouse and his one eyed apprentice right royaly bu88ering up our human rights and starting wars but I also remember Queen Maggie for what she was.....no friend of the armed forces if it cost a penny in tax.
 
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Great. Millions on the dole again. That'll really help those traditionally Tory values of self-reliance, property ownership and low taxation.

Shoot her, burn the corpse and sprinkle holy-water on the ashes. Then the Conservatives might be again the 'natural party of Government', rather than just a different bunch of spivs replacing poor and feckless with rich and feckless at draining the public purse.
 
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MiB so she presented us with a South American war did she? Nothing to do with:

1. An agressive military junta in government in Argentia.
2. An Argentine economy that was going down hill.
3. An invasion of British territory by Argenine troops.
4. The desire of British subjects not to be surrendered to a murderous South American military dictatorship.
 
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Inf/MP said:
MiB so she presented us with a South American war did she? Nothing to do with:

1. An agressive military junta in government in Argentia.
2. An Argentine economy that was going down hill.
3. An invasion of British territory by Argenine troops.
4. The desire of British subjects not to be surrendered to a murderous South American military dictatorship.
All of which doesn't get away from the fact that she happily dismantled this nation and sowed the seeds of disunity and greed, the results of which are - oh yes - coming home to roost right about now.

She famous for saying "there is no such thing as society". Only because she made it that way.

I dislike her and her cronies, I hate Labour and theirs. The Lib dems are pointless, lets have a revolution.
 
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I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations..

I think she was right.
 
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insert-coin-here said:
The picture may conjure warm fuzzy feelings,and 'call me Dave' may be making some half intresting noise atm,but do you really think he will deliver?

Politico's have traditionally been a vortex of integrity in our society,but ZANU NL have set a new low which,I fear,the tories are under no obligation to rectify.

I will be a little more upbeat when I have a EU referendum polling card in my hand.

Well, they can't do much worse can they? Or maybe we can make things like they were when some of these old men posting here were young eh, such mighty leaders as Harold 'Communist Traitor' Wilson, Sailor Ted or that fcukwit Jim Callaghan? Another winter of discontent, that'll solve our problems! Perhaps the economy'll work better if we go back to subsidising massively inefficient nationalised industries Or perhaps we'll be freer and better off if we go back to placing massive power in the hands of ideologically driven trade unions that can hold the whole country to ransom without a democratic mandate? would you have preferred if she said on the Falklands 'Nah, its alright, commit an act of aggression against British territory and you can get away with it?', if this country had refused to stand up to aggression even if the Armed Forces weren't in a perfect state (which had as much to do with the Callaghan govt's failing as the Thatcher govt-and all the Nott defense cuts were reversed post falklands), we wouldn't have stood up to napoleon, the Kaiser or Hitler...

She fcuking saved this country, even if a lot of lefty miners had to take the pain, they shouldn't have followed thier fcuking commie union leaders so blindly, the mugs...
 
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At least 'Dave' has said he will support the military, unlike this current shower who have lied though their teeth and back again, whilst all the time squandering the countries riches to buy votes.
 

ugly

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Fought a war against agressors unlike the current spivs and cyclops!
 
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MrShanklysboots said:
Inf/MP said:
All of which doesn't get away from the fact that she happily dismantled this nation and sowed the seeds of disunity and greed, the results of which are - oh yes - coming home to roost right about now.
Actually MrShanklysboots I feel that the Tories policies may have worked their way through by now........

Labour got the 9 or so years of boom as a result of the Thatcherite / Tory policies?

The policies of Labour have now had time to grow to maturity and where are we? Whats brilliant is the architect of Labours policies is still in office to reap what he has sown. 'Prudence..' my arrse
 
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Oh look!

It's David Cameron with Tony Blair!














Oh No. Sorry. My mistake. It's the other messianic, inflexible, country ruining PM that we have had in the last 30 years. Tony Blair was more in touch with his feminine side - that's how to tell 'em apart.
 
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Bradstyley said:
insert-coin-here said:
The picture may conjure warm fuzzy feelings,and 'call me Dave' may be making some half intresting noise atm,but do you really think he will deliver?

Politico's have traditionally been a vortex of integrity in our society,but ZANU NL have set a new low which,I fear,the tories are under no obligation to rectify.

I will be a little more upbeat when I have a EU referendum polling card in my hand.

Well, they can't do much worse can they? Or maybe we can make things like they were when some of these old men posting here were young eh, such mighty leaders as Harold 'Communist Traitor' Wilson, Sailor Ted or that fcukwit Jim Callaghan? Another winter of discontent, that'll solve our problems! Perhaps the economy'll work better if we go back to subsidising massively inefficient nationalised industries Or perhaps we'll be freer and better off if we go back to placing massive power in the hands of ideologically driven trade unions that can hold the whole country to ransom without a democratic mandate? would you have preferred if she said on the Falklands 'Nah, its alright, commit an act of aggression against British territory and you can get away with it?', if this country had refused to stand up to aggression even if the Armed Forces weren't in a perfect state (which had as much to do with the Callaghan govt's failing as the Thatcher govt-and all the Nott defense cuts were reversed post falklands), we wouldn't have stood up to napoleon, the Kaiser or Hitler...

She fcuking saved this country, even if a lot of lefty miners had to take the pain, they shouldn't have followed thier fcuking commie union leaders so blindly, the mugs...
I think you are getting the wrong end of my particular stick here.Im not intrested in the 'was maggie a saint or savior' debate.
I personally feel she was a leader of her time and would leave the under-funding of our forces arguement to those it concerned.After all they are the experts.

My point is that the ZANU NL has set a disgustingly low standard for the UK's political world(if such a thing is possible) and that the tories are in exactly the same position that liarbour were in a decade ago(ref popular mandate).Abeit they will not be inheriting an economy as robust as it was before.

They are going to have a massive job on to pull the country back into some form of order and I am wondering if there is the genuine political will,talent and moral courage within the tory ranks to do it.

Cameron gave a very good,understated speech yesterday.He did not promise the earth (and that for me bodes well),but at the end of the day we have heard it all before,we now need delivery on promise's.

Will we be in for the change that is needed?Does he have the pods for it?Or will we have another decade of decline and atrophy all the while standing powerless at the sidelines while the pig's feast at the trough?
 
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Whats wrong with you all fgs?? Cant you see the potential?
She rid us all of that nasty steel industry and the dreadful ship and aircraft industry pheww cos we were in danger of becoming a global exporter phewww saved us all there,
and also made it so lots of people didnt have to work and could hang out together at a nice club called the DHSS and she cares about wildlife too when she saved 1000's of penguines lives and habitat back in 82.
A very thoughtful woman indeed, making sure we close down all those dangerous coalmines.
I feel a warm and rather sensual feeling toward her,, wowww what a bird. :p
 
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I didn't realise we had a Madame Tussauds in the Brumopolis.

Cameron in just another PR spun Spiv. Grand words and no substance. Nothing he said concerning Defence hasn't been said time and again on these august pages. How exactly is he going to fix it? What specific percentage figure of new spend did he mention. What substantive policy about involving British Forces in future conflicts did he mention? His tacking on of the Gurkhas at the end, was tasteless and an example of bathing in reflected glory, something the opposition have been very very quiet about in the past.

I certainly don't remember a massive Tory revolt in Parliament concerning Gurkhas and especially Pun VC when I was involved in that. So just a straight birge then Mr. Cameron. From memory, the only Tory MP consistent on the issue was Ann Widdicombe. In fact I looked it up and

http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=30254&SESSION=875

No signature from Cameron, David on that EDM. Awful lot of Lib Dems, and indeed unexpected Labour names and those Tories from a Military background, but still only 145 signatures. So stop criticising the Government Coneroon. We know they are sh*ts, but you hardly masterminded resistance in this shabby affair did you. It came from Conservative MP's and associations in areas with a Gurkha presence.

Labour hasn't totally wrecked Defence, but they sure as hell haven't meaningfully expanded it yet, but it is starting to happen, albeit with great reluctance by the Treasury.

The older hands here were directly affected by 'Frontline First' and 'Options for change' both Conservative. Even the 'Strategic Defence Review' didn't start life as a Labour initative, but Cyclops sure as hell saw the chance to save a few quid, ably abetted by Purple Grownups who should have fought harder against it, in my opinion.

The Royal Navy wasn't eviscarated in 1979, and it wasn't the Labour Party that actually reduced capability when we still had a Cold War on and a massive Soviet Submarine threat. Nor was it the Labour Party steadily reducing capability across the board in the face of a very credible threat on the other side of Frankfurt-am-Oder.

It wasn't the Labour Party keeping the frontline short in 1991 , or are those stories of Germany based units having to rob each other blind to deploy to the sandpit all fiction? The Tories had been in power 12 years at that point. Yes the Army had been a lot bigger in 1991 then it is today, it was also far bigger in 1979.

Going back even further, it wasn't a Labour Minister who said in 1957 that the day of the manned fighter was over, and jammed a stake in the coffin of British Military Aviation manufacture, from which we have never recovered. Started and blueprinted by the Tories, finished by Labour. It wasn't the Labour Party embroiled in a scandal over Garage Door manufacturers.

Cameron's comments over Georgia, and his support of Saashavilli revealed a serious and worrying gap in his actual knowledge, and indeed his naivety. Do I really want a Prime Minister who can be so easily taken in, and itching to get us involved somewhere else? No, we've already had one of those.

Our Armed Forces need the 3 R's (to bludge another Cameron Favourite) Recruitment, Retention, Re-Equipment , and I saw nothing in Cameron's speech, nor indeed his recent words that even suggest the Armed Forces are about to enter a Golden Age under the Conservatives.

Rant switch to Master Safe.
 
#20
She was the right Leader at the right time.

She was the one who gave the country and especially the unions the bad news which no one wanted to hear but needed to.

I like to compare her to the surgeon that cuts of your infected leg. No one wants to have it done, but it has to go or the poison will spread and the rest will die too. She excised the poison of Labour and their union masters.

Mind you by the time she was stabbed in the back, it was time for her to go.

Unfortunately, once Major had been dumped we have had the evil Labour Party under the traitorous Blair and Brown doing their best to destroy the entire country.
 

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