THERE WERE MORE NAVY THAN ARMY SERVING IN AFGHANISTAN!!

#1
I have just read a letter to the editor in today's (7 Sept 2009) Times. The letter is from Vice Admiral Sir Nicholas Hill -Norton an ex Deputy Chief of Defence Staff. It is about the amnesia of some retired generals but in it he makes the following statement; "recently there were more Navy than Army in Afghanistan". I am always suspicious of so-called "facts" bandied about but this seems to be good reason. I know that a fair proportion of the Royal Marines have recently been there, but I still find it hard to believe that they outnumbered the army.
 
#2
I believe it occured when 3 Cdo Bde, plus Naval Strike Wing, plus junglies, plus random assorted posts such as J4 were filled by matelots. At times like this, then yes the Naval Service as a whole was probably dominant, but only for a short period of time.
 
#4
when we were there Navy strike wing we had loads of navy hanger ons just coming out to see how things work navy style so it probably trebled the numbers of navy people there
 
#6
vvaannmmaann said:
Not forgetting "Number 7 ipod surrender party"
OUCH! :lol:
 
#7
56% was the figure quoted at a recent brief...there are always naval/RM helo pilots but also RN/RM medics, VMs etc can get jiffed for a non 3 Cdo Bde gig.
 
#8
During the last 3 Cdo Bde HERRICK Rotation, over 50% of the posts were filled by members of the Naval Service: this includes RM, Naval Strike Wing, a lot of the J1/J4 organisation, the Medical Services were RN-heavy, plus as many of the staff jobs as possible were filled with RN types.

This was a v deliberate effort by the RN, indeed it almost became our Main Effort, in order to prove our 'relevancy' to the current 'war'. I look forward to 52 Bde joining us for Anti-Submarine Action in the G-I-UK Gap later in the year.....

*edit for gash spelling
 
#9
alfred_the_great said:
During the last 3 Cdo Bde HERRICK Rotation, over 50% of the posts were filled by members of the Naval Service: this includes RM, Naval Strike Wing, a lot of the J1/J4 organisation, the Medical Services were RN-heavy, plus as many of the staff jobs as possible were filled with RN types.

This was a v deliberate effort by the RN, indeed it almost became our Main Effort, in order to prove our 'relevancy' to the current 'war'. I look forward to 52 Bde joining us for Anti-Submarine Action in the G-I-UK Gap later in the year.....

*edit for gash spelling
So it appears that Vice Admiral Sir Nicholas Hill -Norton was not telling porkies but I wonder how many of the Time's readers visualised jolly Jack Tars in their sailor suits and ipods in Afghanistan and not the Royal Marines? To misquote someone, "It's the truth Jim but not a we know it"
 
#10
AT55 said:
alfred_the_great said:
During the last 3 Cdo Bde HERRICK Rotation, over 50% of the posts were filled by members of the Naval Service: this includes RM, Naval Strike Wing, a lot of the J1/J4 organisation, the Medical Services were RN-heavy, plus as many of the staff jobs as possible were filled with RN types.

This was a v deliberate effort by the RN, indeed it almost became our Main Effort, in order to prove our 'relevancy' to the current 'war'. I look forward to 52 Bde joining us for Anti-Submarine Action in the G-I-UK Gap later in the year.....

*edit for gash spelling
So it appears that Vice Admiral Sir Nicholas Hill -Norton was not telling porkies but I wonder how many of the Time's readers visualised jolly Jack Tars in their sailor suits and ipods in Afghanistan and not the Royal Marines? To misquote someone, "It's the truth Jim but not a we know it"
...And here lies the problem. The RN struggles with it's PR campaign for precisely the reason you mention above - of course (even with the vast numbers of army prsonnel not just supporting, but filling the "bolt on" units) during a 3 Cdo Bde RM deployment for a HERRICK tour the majority of personnel in theatre are from the Naval Service. However, when the public sees a picture of blokes patrolling in invisible-man suits, which service do you reckon they think those personnel belong to?
 
#11
dutybooty said:
AT55 said:
alfred_the_great said:
During the last 3 Cdo Bde HERRICK Rotation, over 50% of the posts were filled by members of the Naval Service: this includes RM, Naval Strike Wing, a lot of the J1/J4 organisation, the Medical Services were RN-heavy, plus as many of the staff jobs as possible were filled with RN types.

This was a v deliberate effort by the RN, indeed it almost became our Main Effort, in order to prove our 'relevancy' to the current 'war'. I look forward to 52 Bde joining us for Anti-Submarine Action in the G-I-UK Gap later in the year.....

*edit for gash spelling
So it appears that Vice Admiral Sir Nicholas Hill -Norton was not telling porkies but I wonder how many of the Time's readers visualised jolly Jack Tars in their sailor suits and ipods in Afghanistan and not the Royal Marines? To misquote someone, "It's the truth Jim but not a we know it"
...And here lies the problem. The RN struggles with it's PR campaign for precisely the reason you mention above - of course (even with the vast numbers of army prsonnel not just supporting, but filling the "bolt on" units) during a 3 Cdo Bde RM deployment for a HERRICK tour the majority of personnel in theatre are from the Naval Service. However, when the public sees a picture of blokes patrolling in invisible-man suits, which service do you reckon they think those personnel belong to?
Going by PR ability RAF Regiment?
 
#12
dutybooty said:
AT55 said:
alfred_the_great said:
During the last 3 Cdo Bde HERRICK Rotation, over 50% of the posts were filled by members of the Naval Service: this includes RM, Naval Strike Wing, a lot of the J1/J4 organisation, the Medical Services were RN-heavy, plus as many of the staff jobs as possible were filled with RN types.

This was a v deliberate effort by the RN, indeed it almost became our Main Effort, in order to prove our 'relevancy' to the current 'war'. I look forward to 52 Bde joining us for Anti-Submarine Action in the G-I-UK Gap later in the year.....

*edit for gash spelling
So it appears that Vice Admiral Sir Nicholas Hill -Norton was not telling porkies but I wonder how many of the Time's readers visualised jolly Jack Tars in their sailor suits and ipods in Afghanistan and not the Royal Marines? To misquote someone, "It's the truth Jim but not a we know it"
...And here lies the problem. The RN struggles with it's PR campaign for precisely the reason you mention above - of course (even with the vast numbers of army prsonnel not just supporting, but filling the "bolt on" units) during a 3 Cdo Bde RM deployment for a HERRICK tour the majority of personnel in theatre are from the Naval Service. However, when the public sees a picture of blokes patrolling in invisible-man suits, which service do you reckon they think those personnel belong to?
And so the problem is solved by the cunning use of posed photos ;)

 
#13
Bravo_Zulu said:
dutybooty said:
AT55 said:
alfred_the_great said:
During the last 3 Cdo Bde HERRICK Rotation, over 50% of the posts were filled by members of the Naval Service: this includes RM, Naval Strike Wing, a lot of the J1/J4 organisation, the Medical Services were RN-heavy, plus as many of the staff jobs as possible were filled with RN types.

This was a v deliberate effort by the RN, indeed it almost became our Main Effort, in order to prove our 'relevancy' to the current 'war'. I look forward to 52 Bde joining us for Anti-Submarine Action in the G-I-UK Gap later in the year.....

*edit for gash spelling
So it appears that Vice Admiral Sir Nicholas Hill -Norton was not telling porkies but I wonder how many of the Time's readers visualised jolly Jack Tars in their sailor suits and ipods in Afghanistan and not the Royal Marines? To misquote someone, "It's the truth Jim but not a we know it"
...And here lies the problem. The RN struggles with it's PR campaign for precisely the reason you mention above - of course (even with the vast numbers of army prsonnel not just supporting, but filling the "bolt on" units) during a 3 Cdo Bde RM deployment for a HERRICK tour the majority of personnel in theatre are from the Naval Service. However, when the public sees a picture of blokes patrolling in invisible-man suits, which service do you reckon they think those personnel belong to?
And so the problem is solved by the cunning use of posed photos ;)

No now we have people shoutin "BAR-STEWARD MATLOTS STEALIN SOLDIERS BADLY NEEDED BODY ARMOUR! What do we need a navy for anyway..." :roll:
 
#14
The problem is that there simply aren't enough ships for RN to sail in so they end up taking the staff gash jobs in a vain attempt to prove their relevancy in today's military climate. Add to this the call for the disbandment of the RAF in favour of the FAA because 'they do most of the sorties in the Stan'!
 
#15
It takes two Matelots to do the job of one Tommy Atkins.

SK :D
 
#16
I seem to recall the manning being more like 29% for RN(including RM) types last xmas. I suspect someone mis-briefed/confused and combined RN with Fleet/Com Amphib Force pers(not entirely sure I've abbreviated that correctly?) and therefore counted in all the pongo types in CLR, 29 Cdo Regt RA, R Sigs working in Bde HQ, etc, etc. Units like 29 Cdo RA might belong to 3 Cdo Bde, but the vast majority of their manning is made up of Army pers, sounds like some staff offr somewhere was trying play games with facts and figures.
 
#17
instinct said:
No now we have people shoutin "BAR-STEWARD MATLOTS STEALIN SOLDIERS BADLY NEEDED BODY ARMOUR! What do we need a navy for anyway..." :roll:[/quote]


As an aside, I wonder how fast this guy would sink to the botom in his body armour?
 
#18
Dragstrip said:
instinct said:
No now we have people shoutin "BAR-STEWARD MATLOTS STEALIN SOLDIERS BADLY NEEDED BODY ARMOUR! What do we need a navy for anyway..." :roll:

As an aside, I wonder how fast this guy would sink to the botom in his body armour?[/quote]

Cos we live on an island maybe.
 
#19
lsquared said:
Dragstrip said:
instinct said:
No now we have people shoutin "BAR-STEWARD MATLOTS STEALIN SOLDIERS BADLY NEEDED BODY ARMOUR! What do we need a navy for anyway..." :roll:

As an aside, I wonder how fast this guy would sink to the botom in his body armour?
Cos we live on an island maybe.[/quote]

Mate i am a Matlot for a start and there is meant to be some sarcasm in my post! :p

@Drag Yeah wouldnt be so easy to blow up your General Service Life jacket in the water with OSPREY and a L85 trying to drown you!! 8O
 
#20
That Vice Admiral might like reminding that its the first time that has happened and in the context of the Navys much larger budget it is only fair!!!!!!!!

And although they would not admit it on here or publically I suggest the RM would rather not be counted as Navy in this context.

NB: I am not discounting the absolutely fantastic work of some Naval Observers/FOO Acks and Air controllers, or the junglies and is dig at the line navy (proper sailors) and their CoC.
 

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