THEM training Them

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  1. SAS trains Libyan troops
    The SAS has been ordered by the Government to train Libyan special forces despite the country having armed the IRA, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

    By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
    Published: 10:35PM BST 11 Sep 2009

    For the past six months Britain’s elite troops have been schooling soldiers working for Col Muammar Gaddafi’s regime, which for years provided Republican terrorists with the Semtex explosive, machine-guns and anti-aircraft missiles used against British troops during the Troubles in Northern Ireland.

    Sources within the SAS have expressed distaste at the agreement, which they believe could be connected to the release of the Lockerbie bomber.

    Britain’s relationship with Libya has been under the spotlight since Abdelbaset al Megrahi was freed from a Scottish jail on compassionate grounds last month after being diagnosed as suffering from terminal prostate cancer and given three months to live.

    Gordon Brown has faced claims that his Government helped engineer Megrahi’s release to promote Britain’s commercial interests, particularly energy, in Libya.

    Downing Street has denied the allegations, but Jack Straw, the Justice Minister, has admitted that trade was a factor in deciding to include Megrahi in an earlier prisoner transfer agreement with Libya. Megrahi was the only person convicted for the murder of 270 people killed in the bombing in 1988 of Pan Am flight 103.

    The disclosure that members of the SAS are training their Libyan counterparts will further raise suspicions about exactly what has been agreed behind the scenes between Tripoli and Britain.

    It will also infuriate families of the Lockerbie victims and further sour relations with America. Earlier this week, President Barack Obama told the Prime Minister of his “disappointment” over Megrahi’s release.

    Defence sources said the training arrangement must have been given high-level political approval.

    Members of Britain’s elite regiment are angry at having to help train soldiers from a country that for years armed terrorists they fought against.

    An SAS source said: “A small SAS training team have been doing it for the last six months as part of this cosy deal with the Libyans.

    “From our perspective we cannot see it as part of anything else other than the Megrahi deal.” Another SAS soldier said: “The IRA was our greatest adversary now we are training their backers. There was a weary rolling of the eyes when we were told about this.”

    The Ministry of Defence refuses to comment on special forces activities, but sources have admitted that SAS reserves have bolstered the team that has been training “Libyan infantry in basic skills”.

    A senior defence source admitted: “This is a huge political embarrassment.’’

    The first moves towards setting up the training agreement are believed to have begun after Tony Blair visited

    Libya as Prime Minister in 2004. However, the deal was only finalised and “signed off” by Mr Brown earlier this year.

    Robin Horsfall, a former SAS soldier who took part in the Iranian Embassy siege in 1980 and fought the IRA in Northern Ireland, said:

    “There is a long list of British soldiers who have died because of Gaddafi funding terrorists.

    “The SAS is being ordered to do something it knows is morally wrong.’’

    The team – a troop of between four and 14 men – is training the Libyans in counter-terrorism techniques, including covert surveillance.

    However, the “full spectrum of techniques” learned from fighting Islamic terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan is not expected to be passed on.

    Once an international pariah, Col Gaddafi agreed in 2003 to give up Libya’s weapons of mass destruction and has since enjoyed steadily improving relations with the West.


    Sickening if true.
  2. Oh God, how low can this government go?

    Next, we'll be helping the Taliban reconstruct areas they already control in Afghanistan.
  3. I was trying to figure out something witty to write on this subject....but it's so bizzare and distasteful I've got nothing.
  4. After they've been paid compensation for trauma caused by british troops.....with this goverment it WILL happen ffs :evil: :evil:
  5. the_boy_syrup

    the_boy_syrup LE Book Reviewer

    In fairness the SAS work with the Americans and they provided alot of the cash to buy all those nice weapons from Libya

    Talk about having a new bessie mate how long before their officers are at Sandhurst and Cranwell?
  6. sad so sad.
  7. Robin Horsfall has it about right with his "...being asked to do something that is morally wrong" comment.

    This really shouldn't surprise any of us, given the track record of Blair and Brown.

    Ethical foreign policy at work.
  8. the_boy_syrup

    the_boy_syrup LE Book Reviewer

    Why are we so shocked at anything this Goverment does?
    After all isn't it the Goverment that released all those convicted IRA/UDF etc men who bought and used the weapons from Libya

    I don't have a problem with Libya selling weapons to anyone after all we sold weapons to anyone who would buy them including Iraq
    There were plenty of Yank weapons kicking about in N.I. and why don't we go after the makers of Semtex for selling it to Gadaffi in the first place

    I can only assume that Gordon Brown thinks the trade deals will solve all his problems he's turning into one of those people who stuff £40 quid in to a Naafi fruit machine and walk away with a tenner thinking the've had a good night and their up on th edeal
  9. Absolutely terrible! Cyclops seems determined to reduce Britain to joke status :(
  10. The question remains - why this group having to do the training? If its moderately tough training staff that are needed then the Rocks don't actually know much about national security, but a large number of them have had a lot of experience at getting idiot recruits who think that the military is about doing nothing but drinking tea through an almost rigorous regime fast. Is it just Cyclops having a bit of a hard on for the words Special Forces?
  11. Damn you beat me to it
  12. I thought most of them were former communists, swp, cnd etc; people who could always sympathise if not downright support any enemy of this country because they themselves hate it and I think you see this manifest itself here and there
  13. What is even more interesting is that the SAS have apparently commented publicly on the matter and the comments made are a huge indication of how very wrong it is.
  14. Probably has got much to do with UK Plc realizing a number of juicy deals are currently being negociated in Libya and unless something is done UK companies won't benefit from them.

    While you moan and say "how low can you go", France sent two 3 Rafale to take part in the parade to celebrate the 40th anniversary of Ghaddafi's coup a couple of weeks back. France hopes to sell 16 Rafale to Libya...while 30 years ago French troops were dying fighting libyan troops in Chad, and when I say fighting I mean fighting with artillery, armour, CAS the work. France bombed libyan airfield, shot down a TU 22 over N'djamena with a Hawk missile and was basically engaged in a attrition war with Libya from the end of the 60s to the beginning of the 90s.

    Not to mention the UTA (a French airline now part of Air France) DC-10 blown up over the Tibesti desert complete with 170 passengers and crew in 1989...a terrorist attack carried out by the libyan secret services.

    So really supplying a couple of ships of weapons to PIRA should not be seen as such a big deal in the context of the forthcoming contracts....and there is nothing surprizing that the UK's finest are used as a way of getting back into the race to sell weapons and stuff to Libya.

    The libyan leader has now been pardoned on the international scene and all those deads are now confined to the closets of history.

    RIP !
  15. the_boy_syrup

    the_boy_syrup LE Book Reviewer

    Also IMHO the fact they are claiming to have been there for 6 months + kinda p1sses all over the Goverments claims that they have had no dealing with Libya
    Unless Alex Salmond can deploy the SAS now aswell ?