The "what trade should I go for" thread - all job selection related chat in here

I think it would be a reasonable assumption that, if the Army has spent hundreds of thousands training you as an Electronics Tech, you'll probably spend most of your time doing stuff associated with that.

Ypu'll still need to maintain your personal standards as a soldier, of course, so there'll be a fair amount of military training and fitness going on as well, but - particularly now when operations are at a very low ebb - it's probably not that likely that you'll be going patrolling anywhere. That's a highly skilled job, as are all ground close combat jobs and chaps who do that sort of stuff for a living tend to be the ones doing it.
Cheers for taking the time to reply mate.

No problems with that at all, I'm an Electronic Engineer in the civvy world on the railway at the moment so won't have an issue continuing to do that kind of work, but it's good to hear that I will still have the chance to do a bit of 'green soldiering' I was just concerned that I'd be sat in a workshop or whatever all the time and that is it.

Thanks for the distinction with the patrolling also, wasn't aware how specialist it was, I don't have any family history with the military other than my great grandad so I'm not as clued up as some will be going in! :)
 

NemoIII

War Hero
No problems with that at all, I'm an Electronic Engineer in the civvy world on the railway at the moment so won't have an issue continuing to do that kind of work, but it's good to hear that I will still have the chance to do a bit of 'green soldiering' I was just concerned that I'd be sat in a workshop or whatever all the time and that is it.
You'll probably spend 90% of time in the workshop, it's a very specialist job where as others have said they'll get the money out of you.

If you're already a Electrical Engineer, they'll still make you do the 18 month training. You not fancy anything else? As if you're doing the training you might aswell learn something different?
 

oppoStu

War Hero
You'll probably spend 90% of time in the workshop, it's a very specialist job where as others have said they'll get the money out of you.

If you're already a Electrical Engineer, they'll still make you do the 18 month training. You not fancy anything else? As if you're doing the training you might aswell learn something different?
I heard from my RE regimental visit that they were introducing a 'flexi' training programme for phase 2 whereby you pass as quick as you can/want. So if @LordFox1998 is already clued up on being an Electronic Engineer, he should be able to pass quicker than the "18 months" you stated.
 
You'll probably spend 90% of time in the workshop, it's a very specialist job where as others have said they'll get the money out of you.

If you're already a Electrical Engineer, they'll still make you do the 18 month training. You not fancy anything else? As if you're doing the training you might as well learn something different?
Makes sense, thank you, of course they spend the money training people why would they have them do much else.

How often do you do normal soldier training/exercises after passing out phase 2, is this something they keep up say once a year?

I've applied with the second option as an avionics tech and third as an engineer in the signals. I'm quite happy doing electronics work, its just the field/industry that I'm in at the moment that is pushing me away rather than the work itself.
 
I heard from my RE regimental visit that they were introducing a 'flexi' training programme for phase 2 whereby you pass as quick as you can/want. So if @LordFox1998 is already clued up on being an Electronic Engineer, he should be able to pass quicker than the "18 months" you stated.
Interesting, I'll have to check if the REME does the same kind of thing, I've got most of the electronics engineering NVQs that I will earn in the forces anyway so it would be interesting to see how they take it.
 

NemoIII

War Hero
Interesting, I'll have to check if the REME does the same kind of thing, I've got most of the electronics engineering NVQs that I will earn in the forces anyway so it would be interesting to see how they take it.
Can guarantee REME do not do the same thing, they make you do every part even if you have qualifications that are similar.
 
Can guarantee REME do not do the same thing, they make you do every part even if you have qualifications that are similar.
Which is the right thing to do as there's you can't assure another educational establishments output in a piecemeal fashion (time/money).
 

oppoStu

War Hero
Which is the right thing to do as there's you can't assure another educational establishments output in a piecemeal fashion (time/money).
But surely having a similar system to 'chartered' status in any profession is the best way to go.... the qualification with X years experience and a couple of interviews for assurance purposes should suffice. Saving on both time and money?
 
But surely having a similar system to 'chartered' status in any profession is the best way to go.... the qualification with X years experience and a couple of interviews for assurance purposes should suffice. Saving on both time and money?
Great until you want to get out and nobody has heard of the Defence Awarding Organisation or let’s say BCS or IET. Independent academic rigour as opposed to a self licking MOD lollipop IMHO.
 

oppoStu

War Hero
Great until you want to get out and nobody has heard of the Defence Awarding Organisation or let’s say BCS or IET. Independent academic rigour as opposed to a self licking MOD lollipop IMHO.
I'm talking about civvy street going into the army with civvy quals. Coming out wont be an issue, just seems to be wasted quals going in for some reason. Bizarre!
 

Glad_its_all_over

ADC
Book Reviewer
Worth noting that Chartered status and Professional membership of a 'learned body' are a bit of a stretch for completion of a trade training course. My esteemed colleague @Gravelbelly will have some thoughts on this from industry; my own experience, ditto, is that both the BCS and the IET Chartered statuses - CITP and C Eng respectively - are pretty daunting things to achieve and are well-recognised.
 
I'm talking about civvy street going into the army with civvy quals. Coming out wont be an issue, just seems to be wasted quals going in for some reason. Bizarre!
I see your point. The problem is that we would have to get a system in place to assure said qualifications and that the individual is up to speed, or for free, we can just make them sit our DSAT approved and contextualised trade course.
 

Royal96

Crow
Hi all, passed assessment centre with Grade A a couple weeks ago. Scored 73 on ACT, interviewer recommended going over job choices again since everything is available (Except signals, RE etc. roles as opted out of TST).

I've got a degree in strength, conditioning and rehab so im very interested in specialising further down the line into RAPTC as a PTI to make use of my degree and post-army career so wondering what the best roles would be prior to this?

Originally had OPMI, RMP and RAC as my three choices. Going back to sit TST to get all options available.

Now thinking Electronic Warfare Operator, RAC and Infantry. For a trade in-case don't fancy PTI for some reason. RAC and Infantry for fitness boosting chances of passing PTI selection. Plus want to experience combat which I believe EW also gets to? More often than OPMI anyway.
 
Hi all, passed assessment centre with Grade A a couple weeks ago. Scored 73 on ACT, interviewer recommended going over job choices again since everything is available (Except signals, RE etc. roles as opted out of TST).

I've got a degree in strength, conditioning and rehab so im very interested in specialising further down the line into RAPTC as a PTI to make use of my degree and post-army career so wondering what the best roles would be prior to this?

Originally had OPMI, RMP and RAC as my three choices. Going back to sit TST to get all options available.

Now thinking Electronic Warfare Operator, RAC and Infantry. For a trade in-case don't fancy PTI for some reason. RAC and Infantry for fitness boosting chances of passing PTI selection. Plus want to experience combat which I believe EW also gets to? More often than OPMI anyway.
Or join the RAF directly as a PTI or similar?
 

Jam12bix

Clanker
Hi all, passed assessment centre with Grade A a couple weeks ago. Scored 73 on ACT, interviewer recommended going over job choices again since everything is available (Except signals, RE etc. roles as opted out of TST).

I've got a degree in strength, conditioning and rehab so im very interested in specialising further down the line into RAPTC as a PTI to make use of my degree and post-army career so wondering what the best roles would be prior to this?

Originally had OPMI, RMP and RAC as my three choices. Going back to sit TST to get all options available.

Now thinking Electronic Warfare Operator, RAC and Infantry. For a trade in-case don't fancy PTI for some reason. RAC and Infantry for fitness boosting chances of passing PTI selection. Plus want to experience combat which I believe EW also gets to? More often than OPMI anyway.
What did the act test consist of ?.
 

Royal96

Crow
What did the act test consist of ?.
Consists of 5 (I think?) short multiple choice tests based on Maths and English reasoning essentially. Your CSM should send you a link to a practice test before your AC. You also get some advice on the tests the night before. A tip we were given by the Duty Assessor was to do it quickly as the test is scored based on your speed as well, not just how many you got right. For each test it felt like I answered around 25 questions before the time ended for each test.

For example one of the tests was to match the category to the item so if the first part was Tool, Tool, Transport and the second part said, Chicken, Egypt, Car then only one of them matches the above and is in the correct position so 1 is the answer.

Only one of the tests takes a bit of processing to answer so maybe an extra 10 seconds compared to the usual 2-3. Involves arrows (You'll see what I mean when you take the practice test lol) BIG TIP - When the rule switches up just stick to the same process/original rule and you'll find it way easier. The guys in my accommodation room all did this and we all finished with loads of time left (Believe its 45 mins to do all 5 tests?).

You don't need to prep for it (IMO). Could maybe do a few of those really quick mental maths tests as there is a simple version of that which took me a extra second to answer as haven't done that sort of maths for like 6 years but was still only like multiplying and dividing nothing crazy. Can't talk about TST as opted out but spoke to the others in my group and apparently it was similar to a foundation GCSE maths paper.
 
But surely having a similar system to 'chartered' status in any profession is the best way to go.... the qualification with X years experience and a couple of interviews for assurance purposes should suffice. Saving on both time and money?
You'd think. But... that "Chartered" status in engineering is about showing that you've got big boy pants, and can be trusted not to embarrass everyone else - it's not a generic "Chartered? Congratulations, there's the avionics, crack on" qualification. By way of analogy, say you're a consultant anesthetist. Top of your field. Doesn't make you a great choice to carve someone open, then plumb in a heart transplant; or to run pediatric haematology. So, if there was a railway electronics section in RLC or REME, then brilliant - but I suspect that there isn't. There might be an STRE that's "get that damaged railway up and running", but that's a niche skill that might sensibly be handled by the reserves.

I suspect that those 18 months of trade school will be a rather specialised education and training program, rather than just the general engineering education that forms a degree. The degree will include things that aren't directly relevant to being a technician (not much call for electronic design engineering in the Army), but won't have the time to go into the directly relevant parts in as much depth.

Remember, there's a massive cultural difference between the civilian and the military environments. The civilian world only expects the engineering degree to get you to the job interview, and enough education to allow you to learn fast as your firm trains you up "on the job" - while the Army has an expectation that you turn up to your first post, fully trained for the job you're going to do [1].

[1] Yes, I know, unrealistic - let's call it an aspiration, OK?
 

Cfc1603

Swinger
Hi everyone I'm interested in joining as an Electrical Engineer- Comms and just had a couple of questions
1. How long is phase 2?
2. Do you just get posted to Signal regiments?
 
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