The USA invaded Pakistan.

#1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_re_as/pakistan

Pakistan's government says a cross-border raid involving U.S.-led or NATO forces killed several civilians in a village near the Afghan border.

A statement from the Foreign Ministry described the raid in the South Waziristan region as a ground attack supported by air assets based in Afghanistan.

It said the attack caused "immense loss of civilian life" and called it a "gross violation" of Pakistani territory.

The statement said such strikes undermine joint efforts to fight terrorism.
Who would think that the USA is able to violate borders of independent state without comscent?
 
#2
jeezuz just f*k off !

if this is the first time that you have become aware of cross border ops, then you are just ignorant and stupid!
 
#4
"Borders" does not apply, in the Western sense. The local inhabitants come and go as they please.
The Pakistan government makes no pretence of ruling what it itself describes as the "Tribal Areas".
 

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#6
That worked both ways to be fair:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Storks_(Mujahideen)#History

Apparently the Pakistani SSG lads took on the 15th Spetsnaz Brigade.
 
#7
Wind your fucking neck in, haven't your comrades just been on a small cross border op in Georgia?
 
#8

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#9
Tiddle said:
Wind your fucking neck in, haven't your comrades just been on a small cross border op in Georgia?
I think he's trying establish parity. As if chasing a few insurgents cross-border in hot persuit is the same as overtaking a province in a neighbouring country.
 
#10
parapauk said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Air_Force#Soviet-Afghan_War
Good link - and let's not overlook the fact that the PAF has consistently produced excellent pilots. This is not surprising as they come from the Punjabi elite which produces such great army officers. And the troops are just as good. The "PM" was the best soldier in the Indian army of the raj bar none. His descendants are just as good.
 

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#11
johno2499 said:
parapauk said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Air_Force#Soviet-Afghan_War
Good link - and let's not overlook the fact that the PAF has consistently produced excellent pilots. This is not surprising as they come from the Punjabi elite which produces such great army officers. And the troops are just as good. The "PM" was the best soldier in the Indian army of the raj bar none. His descendants are just as good.
My granddad, rest his soul, served in a Coy of 'Punjabi Musselmans' during WW2 and he he rated them as the back bone of what was then the colonial Indian Army. But I guess he would naturally have been biased.

Interesting bit about the PAF pilots volunteering for the Yom Kippur War. Had no idea about that!
 
#12
The important thing here is not that a border that has no meaninful existence on the ground is violated; it is that the Pakistani Govt has mentioned it and not in a good way.

I have long believed that the nature of the Durand Line and the Pushtun mean that either Pakistan or Afghanistan is viable in the long term; not both. More importantly, I reckon that's what many in the ruling regimes in Pakistan and Afghanistan believe. Karzai has been beating the drum to get NATO to unify his country for him, if we are unlucky we are seeing the start of the Pakistani backlash.

Coincidentally, the most credible path for Islamic extremists to get hold of nuclear weapons in the near future is to inherit them should Pakistan fall.
 
#13
KGB_resident said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_re_as/pakistan

Pakistan's government says a cross-border raid involving U.S.-led or NATO forces killed several civilians in a village near the Afghan border.

A statement from the Foreign Ministry described the raid in the South Waziristan region as a ground attack supported by air assets based in Afghanistan.

It said the attack caused "immense loss of civilian life" and called it a "gross violation" of Pakistani territory.

The statement said such strikes undermine joint efforts to fight terrorism.
Who would think that the USA is able to violate borders of independent state without comscent?
Pot, calling Kettle. Send colour sit-rep, over. :roll:
 
#14
"yahoo, were the KGB get all their facts"

perhaps a more reputable source may have made your point more valid.
 
#15
Dear Sir,

I think it is appalling that borders should be crossed without proper authority.

The United Nations should build large fences on all borders, with death strips and armed guards and savage dogs, to stop these naughty people.

I M Berliner
 
#16
Tiddle said:
Wind your fucking neck in, haven't your comrades just been on a small cross border op in Georgia?
Mate, you understand my point.

Just note that our American friends violate borders of independent states without hesitation. And they sincerely believe that other countries must not do it.
 
#18
KGB_resident said:
Tiddle said:
Wind your fucking neck in, haven't your comrades just been on a small cross border op in Georgia?
Mate, you understand my point.
Just note that our American friends violate borders of independent states without hesitation. And they sincerely believe that other countries must not do it.
So, the Americans are naughty boys.
The Russians are naughty boys.

Fukcing [super]powers. :roll:

How about everyone tries behaving nicely for a decade?
Just to give the Rest of The World a bit of break?
 
#19
blue-sophist said:
Dear Sir,

I think it is appalling that borders should be crossed without proper authority.
Wholeheartedly agree with you fair sir.

blue-sophist said:
The United Nations should build large fences on all borders, with death strips and armed guards and savage dogs, to stop these naughty people.
I believe that there exists less expensive and more practical solution. Main World powers should formulate this principle plainly and follow it.[/quote]

blue-sophist said:
I M Berliner
So you say: savage dogs...
 
#20
Ah, Sergey, you have entered my sarcasm trap ...

1. I am not "ein Berliner". I was, obliquely, referring to the excellent "Wall" building activities of certain "democratic countries" ... and not JUST the East Germans, but all those formerly controlled from The Kremlin. :wink:

2. The "proper authority" for actions in Georgia was Who?
The UN?
The Russian President? :lol:
Vlad the New Impaler?
"We Russians have the right to invade other countries and destroy them to protect fellow Russians"?

BTW, I have little time for American interventionism either.
They objected to the interventionist establishment of the old British Empire, which I'm old enough to remember :wink:
 

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