The United States will be officially designating Antifa a domestic terrorist organization

If black people are committing more crime and more likely to 'interact' with LE then why not try and address why that is? And then do something about it.
If you can rectify what has been evident in various western countries with regard to the uneven prison statistics and minorities, then you are a better man than the host of decent well intentions people who have struggled mightily with this phenomenon for many many many years.
 
If you can rectify what has been evident in various western countries with regard to the uneven prison statistics and minorities, then you are a better man than the host of decent well intentions people who have struggled mightily with this phenomenon for many many many years.
Of course it is difficult but you only have to see the situation in the US now and to a far more limited extent, the UK back in 2011 to understand that the status quo is not sustainable.
 
yeah!

if there are churches, homes and business’s to burn in Georgia,
....leave it to the professionals!

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Democrats, Its the 70's

Listen to a nice educated Black lady and learn your American party history.


 
Of course it is difficult but you only have to see the situation in the US now and to a far more limited extent, the UK back in 2011 to understand that the status quo is not sustainable.
With the amount of positive discrimination in favour of these minorities with regard to their widely claimed ‘discriminated against' position in various Western societies, I think your comment of a 'status quo' is wildly inaccurate.
 
With the amount of positive discrimination in favour of these minorities with regard to their widely claimed ‘discriminated against' position in various Western societies, I think your comment of a 'status quo' is wildly inaccurate.
Really? I'm thinking most of those folks aren't feeling the love of your 'positive discrimination'? And that 'insensitive' policing (is there any other kind in ethnic neighbourhoods in the US?) ruins a lot of the good that is done by well-meaning folks.

Of course there are many good cops in the US as elsewhere but throwing bullets, money and social workers at the problem is not the answer - real social change is needed and it isn't going to begin under Trump.
 
Thanks - if by making you dig out research by the US establishment into its own failures keeps you from being on the streets 'defending your rights' with an M16 then I'm happy.
Black lives only matter when they are not cops




Does that fit your narrative, you happy yet.
Some would argue an AR-15 would have saved him.

Let's see the far-left protest this one.


Disgusting.


Listen to the virtue signallers gettting a mouthful, probably white kids with rich parents fighting for the communist cause.

 
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I always enjoy reading your replies, they make me suspect you are involved in politics or teach it.

I totally agree that in order to succeed in life you need personal motivation to better ones self and the notion of equality of out come is not realistic (but this is mainly pushed by the more radical left).

To answer your question on if over the last 30 years have we seen improvements in black communities due to state investments, I would say that we have.
The black middle-class would be a good metric to use. I know the left don't really take about the middle class that much, but I think it is a good guage on how well a demographic is doing.
In the US the % of black households that are middle class is approx 40%, the national average is approx 43%. That is a great results given that social mobility for black house holds in America only really started in the 1960's.

Currently black households are slightly under the national average for upper middle class and upper class, but I suspect this gap will be closed as middle class families accumulate wealth. The middle class can look after themselves.

The real kicker is 26% of black households that are poor. This is where we should be targeting funding regardless of skin colour. Help the poor get out of poverty and enrich the working class.

Sorry if I sound like a One Nation Conservative instead of a radical socialist on this.
It's worth getting your hands on a book called 'Among the hoods' written by Harriet Sergeant, right wing think tank researcher and occasional Daily Mail columnist.

She spent 3 years with a South London gang and became absolutely furious about the way they were treated. Missing or bad parents, taken into care with a different indifferent social worker every couple of months, deserted by the education system. She makes no apology for their often appalling behaviour but lays out good reasons why they behave like they do.

Or you could just watch season 4 of The Wire and treat it as a documentary rather than a cop show. No parents, surrounded by gangster from an early age etc.

I've no idea what the answer is but carrying on doing the same thing and hoping for change seems a bit futile.
Rather than derailing this thread with a detailed answer that does not answer the ANTIFA scumbags issue I will start a new thread...

link to follow once posted https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/the-bigotry-of-low-expectations.300260/
 
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Of course there are many good cops in the US as elsewhere but throwing bullets, money and social workers at the problem is not the answer - real social change is needed and it isn't going to begin under Trump.
Having now politicised, and declared your affiliation, get your head out from its present dark and cosy nesting place.

Real social change isn’t going to be accelerated or changed by protest, illegal gathering violent behaviour, and its so often accompaniment by rioting, arson, and looting.

The behaviour that is starting to be demonstrated in London right now.

As for your snide comment,
Really? I'm thinking most of those folks aren't feeling the love of your 'positive discrimination'? And that 'insensitive' policing
The love of 'my positive discrimination' doesn’t enter into the equation, in my opinion too often well meaning ‘positive discrimination’ does as much harm as it does good.

As for all cultures are equal, a simple observation about the US. There has been wave after wave of various racial types and groups from all over the world entering that country. Nearly every single one when they got there started at the bottom as new entrants to a new world.

There is one group that has remained as a minority that perceives it self as being ‘discriminated against. I cannot think of one other that fits that description.

As to why that is, I have no doubt you could think up some reason for that state of affairs, and happily ‘bubble' away about that along with a vast majority of the well meaning backers of BLM ANTIFA and the various other groups who like to proclaim their indignation at the unfairness of the world as we know it.
 
Only 13 of the 104 cases in 2015 where an unarmed black person was killed by police resulted in officer(s) being charged with a crime

Whilst it appears damning without knowing the circumstances its impossible to say if the officer was justified or if he got away with it because the police force was racist.

I recall the outrage when an officer shot an unarmed black youth and wasn't charged. (may even be one of your 104)

The body cam supported the officers statement he pursued the guy - the guy turned to face him - he then fired in self defence .
It also showed there was no gun

The officer was convinced the guy was armed - and stated that as the guy had ran towards him he had come under fire - so when he took up the chase and the guy spun on him he had already used the weapon once on him - so wasn't wasting time.

It was determined that contrary to departmental orders forbidding the practice another unit had fired at the guy running from them - It was their rounds that had come rather close and ruined his underwear.

So He believes the guys armed - he has been (inadvertently) shot at- the guy then turns on him rather than laying down etc .

How can you charge that man with murder without emasculating the police force - he obeyed his training he had a genuine belief he was in mortal peril - he arguably did it all correctly but made a tragic mistake - an understandable one in the circumstance - So is justice served by demanding he punished for an error (or worse to prove were not racist) . Mutt N Jeff on the other hand are free from complicity in the guys death so cant be punished for that.
 
Black lives only matter when they are not cops




Does that fit your narrative, you happy yet.
Some would argue an AR-15 would have saved him.

Let's see the far-left protest this one.


Disgusting.


Listen to the virtue signallers gettting a mouthful, probably white kids with rich parents fighting for the communist cause.

Nice one - anyone who disagrees is a ‘virtue signaller’ or a ‘white kid with rich parents’ or ‘far-left’.

Great argument. I don’t have a narrative - but you clearly do! Keep at it - watching you froth while trying to justify murder is good entertainment.
 
Nice one - anyone who disagrees is a ‘virtue signaller’ or a ‘white kid with rich parents’ or ‘far-left’.

Great argument. I don’t have a narrative - but you clearly do! Keep at it - watching you froth while trying to justify murder is good entertainment.
You seem to be ‘frothing' and ‘bubbling' pretty well for someone who ‘doesn’t have a narrative’!!

You should be out on the streets with your signs...and, don’t forget the Trump baby balloon.
 
Having now politicised, and declared your affiliation, get your head out from its present dark and cosy nesting place.

Real social change isn’t going to be accelerated or changed by protest, illegal gathering violent behaviour, and its so often accompaniment by rioting, arson, and looting.

The behaviour that is starting to be demonstrated in London right now.

As for your snide comment,

The love of 'my positive discrimination' doesn’t enter into the equation, in my opinion too often well meaning ‘positive discrimination’ does as much harm as it does good.

As for all cultures are equal, a simple observation about the US. There has been wave after wave of various racial types and groups from all over the world entering that country. Nearly every single one when they got there started at the bottom as new entrants to a new world.

There is one group that has remained as a minority that perceives it self as being ‘discriminated against. I cannot think of one other that fits that description.

As to why that is, I have no doubt you could think up some reason for that state of affairs, and happily ‘bubble' away about that along with a vast majority of the well meaning backers of BLM ANTIFA and the various other groups who like to proclaim their indignation at the unfairness of the world as we know it.
Oh well...I’m guessing we won’t ever agree, I never thought we would. As for ‘declaring my affiliation’ - I’m happy to say that I think Trump is a narcissistic cock and always have been. As a a national leader and a person he’s an embarrassment to any right minded person - just ask his Defence guy.

Back to ‘declaring your affiliation’ - interesting that you see blacks as somehow more worthy of your (and everyone else’sire on racial grounds.

Nice one!

I hope your gun cabinet is well stocked - if the US keeps on ignoring things like this it’ll need to be.

Not that it will make a difference!
 
You seem to be ‘frothing' and ‘bubbling' pretty well for someone who ‘doesn’t have a narrative’!!

You should be out on the streets with your signs...and, don’t forget the Trump baby balloon.
No frothing in deepest Wiltshire - just a genuine concern at the state of world affairs
 
Nice one - anyone who disagrees is a ‘virtue signaller’ or a ‘white kid with rich parents’ or ‘far-left’.

Great argument. I don’t have a narrative - but you clearly do! Keep at it - watching you froth while trying to justify murder is good entertainment.
I will enjoy whilst you grab at straws.

Watch the video, you can hear and see them. If that is not virtue I do not know what is.
The murder is done, The copper is being charged, The looting, however, continues.
Politics have, as expected and if not sooner, taken over.

Change your built-in "internet filter" and you will see with clarity.
 
Back to ‘declaring your affiliation’ - interesting that you see blacks as somehow more worthy of your (and everyone else’sire on racial grounds.

Nice one!

I hope your gun cabinet is well stocked - if the US keeps on ignoring things like this it’ll need to be.

Not that it will make a difference!
This post sums you up perfectly, now why aren’t you out showing solidarity for that cause you are so worked up about.

Gun cabinet, has a pair of 12’s one 16 and plenty of No 5’s and 6’s. The 9mm P38, 9’’ 357 Colt Python and .22Hornet were disposed of a while ago, along with the SSG and single ball which was back up when out and likely to come across unfriendly predators which has also been dispensed with.

The US gun cabinet, not mine, my ex cop son's, has a .40 S&W Glock 27 Gen 4 and a 10/22 rifle. He now works as a ground engineer for Delta, and I can assure you is probably as concerned as you at the state of play, and works in Atlanta which has a substantial Afro American population.

Edited calibre as accurately pointed out by @Steamboat. My bad.
 
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This post sums you up perfectly, now why aren’t you out showing solidarity for that cause you are so worked up about.

Gun cabinet, has a pair of 12’s one 16 and plenty of No 5’s and 6’s. The 9mm P38, 9’’ 357 Colt Python and .22Hornet were disposed of a while ago, along with the SSG and single ball which was back up when out and likely to come across unfriendly predators which has also been dispensed with.

The US gun cabinet, not mine, my ex cop son's, has a .44 Glock 27 and a 10/22 rifle. He now works as a ground engineer for Delta, and I can assure you is probably as concerned as you at the state of play, and works in Atlanta which has a substantial Afro American population
.40 cal for the G27.
 

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