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I am not sure it has done "nothing". There have been improvements in some areas.

I think one of the main stumbling blocks is positive discrimination. Trying to combat discrimination with more discrimination was never going to work well in the US. The left just saw it as a quick solution to the problem.

Education, family values, strong role models, opportunity and support from the wider community all help to raise people out of poverty and promote social mobility but it takes generations to see the benefits.

Having to wait generations is far to long for political parties who need results within 4 years.
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if you know who your dad is, he stays with your mother, and you graduate from high school, not juvinile detention, your life choices are much the same as everyone else’s.
 
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I am not sure it has done "nothing". There have been improvements in some areas.

I think one of the main stumbling blocks is positive discrimination. Trying to combat discrimination with more discrimination was never going to work well in the US. The left just saw it as a quick solution to the problem.

Education, family values, strong role models, opportunity and support from the wider community all help to raise people out of poverty and promote social mobility but it takes generations to see the benefits.

Having to wait generations is far to long for political parties who need results within 4 years.
Indeed the 'Left' have on for decades on one hand said that discrimination is a terrible thing, while at the same time pushing positive 'discrimination' as a way to end discrimination.

As you say "Education, family values, strong role models, opportunity and support from the wider community all help to raise people out of poverty and promote social mobility but it takes generations to see the benefits." is the way out of both poverty and crime, I think we can agree that government of all stripes in both the UK and in the USA, both federal and state, have for at least the last 30 years have funded from the TAX base promoted polices that will affect such changes.

One could say that the left and the right have a differing approaches, but the bottom, line money has and is been spent but if one is to believe the narratives, being spread by some on the left, activist and various media organisations Its always just racism.

That regardless of all of this investment of money, resources and time both in the UK and USA, is that white people who make up the majority of the TAX base just hate all black people, and want to see them murdered in the streets. I think we can both agree that would be a ridiculous notion.

So why is it that in both the UK and the US that areas that have a majority non white ethnic make up have issues. How much more money should we pour into such areas. How much more go to the front of the line based on ethnicity is required, to make a minority equal to a majority.

Which of course would solve everything, which is the 'bigotry of low expectations' shown by many of those on the left who want equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.

The simple truth is that much of getting oneself out of a bad life situation requires, more personal effort and desire, rather than a government handout or a ticket to the front of a line. But that does not suit the race baiting narrative of the left and others who want to tear down society.

Try a little Larry Elder...

 
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if you know who your dad is, he stays with your mother, and you graduate from high school, not juvinile detention, your life choices are much the same as everyone else’s.
That's just about the most intelligent thing I've ever seen you contribute to a thread. Such a pity that the rest of you contributions to threads on this issue are simply blaming white Americans and calling them names.
 
...Education, family values, strong role models, opportunity and support from the wider community all help to raise people out of poverty and promote social mobility but it takes generations to see the benefits.

Having to wait generations is far to long for political parties who need results within 4 years.
SA is a cock up for similar reasons. The rewards are demanded before the work is put in. Getting rid of competent people who happen to be the incorrect demographic and replacing them with others who fit the political/cultural/racial profile, but haven't a clue and have just been handed a seat at the gravy trough, is no way to improve things. Short term gain followed by degradation of pretty much everything.

Extend that to the rest of the continent and there's a clue in there as to why the place has little hope of recovery. Those who have the education to fix things leave at the first opportunity, taking their skills to places that don't need fixing.
 
And he managed it without swearing or referencing the Vietnam war. Truly impressive.
I'm sorry if I offended you with a little irony that you couldn't understand that included a swear word (shudder).

Please explain why I shouldn't reference Vietnam? Institutionalised racism in US Forces was quite a factor in the civilian death rate there I think you'll find?
 

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Indeed the 'Left' have on for decades on one hand said that discrimination is a terrible thing, while at the same time pushing positive 'discrimination' as a way to end discrimination.

As you say "Education, family values, strong role models, opportunity and support from the wider community all help to raise people out of poverty and promote social mobility but it takes generations to see the benefits." is the way out of both poverty and crime, I think we can agree that government of all stripes in both the UK and in the USA, both federal and state, have for at least the last 30 years have funded from the TAX base promoted polices that will affect such changes.

One could say that the left and the right have a differing approaches, but the bottom, line money has and is been spent but if one is to believe the narratives, being spread by some on the left, activist and various media organisations Its always just racism.

That regardless of all of this investment of money, resources and time both in the UK and USA, is that white people who make up the majority of the TAX base just hate all black people, and want to see them murdered in the streets. I think we can both agree that would be a ridiculous notion.

So why is it that in both the UK and the US that areas that have a majority non white ethnic make up have issues. How much more money should we pour into such areas. How much more go to the front of the line based on ethnicity is required, to make a minority equal to a majority.

Which of course would solve everything, which is the 'bigotry of low expectations' shown by many of those on the left who want equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.

The simple truth is that much of getting oneself out of a bad life situation requires, more personal effort and desire, rather than a government handout or a ticket to the front of a line. But that does not suit the race baiting narrative of the left and others who want to tear down society.

Try a little Larry Elder...


It's worth getting your hands on a book called 'Among the hoods' written by Harriet Sergeant, right wing think tank researcher and occasional Daily Mail columnist.

She spent 3 years with a South London gang and became absolutely furious about the way they were treated. Missing or bad parents, taken into care with a different indifferent social worker every couple of months, deserted by the education system. She makes no apology for their often appalling behaviour but lays out good reasons why they behave like they do.

Or you could just watch season 4 of The Wire and treat it as a documentary rather than a cop show. No parents, surrounded by gangster from an early age etc.

I've no idea what the answer is but carrying on doing the same thing and hoping for change seems a bit futile.
 
Indeed the 'Left' have on for decades on one hand said that discrimination is a terrible thing, while at the same time pushing positive 'discrimination' as a way to end discrimination.

As you say "Education, family values, strong role models, opportunity and support from the wider community all help to raise people out of poverty and promote social mobility but it takes generations to see the benefits." is the way out of both poverty and crime, I think we can agree that government of all stripes in both the UK and in the USA, both federal and state, have for at least the last 30 years have funded from the TAX base promoted polices that will affect such changes.

One could say that the left and the right have a differing approaches, but the bottom, line money has and is been spent but if one is to believe the narratives, being spread by some on the left, activist and various media organisations Its always just racism.

That regardless of all of this investment of money, resources and time both in the UK and USA, is that white people who make up the majority of the TAX base just hate all black people, and want to see them murdered in the streets. I think we can both agree that would be a ridiculous notion.

So why is it that in both the UK and the US that areas that have a majority non white ethnic make up have issues. How much more money should we pour into such areas. How much more go to the front of the line based on ethnicity is required, to make a minority equal to a majority.

Which of course would solve everything, which is the 'bigotry of low expectations' shown by many of those on the left who want equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.

The simple truth is that much of getting oneself out of a bad life situation requires, more personal effort and desire, rather than a government handout or a ticket to the front of a line. But that does not suit the race baiting narrative of the left and others who want to tear down society.

Try a little Larry Elder...

I always enjoy reading your replies, they make me suspect you are involved in politics or teach it.

I totally agree that in order to succeed in life you need personal motivation to better ones self and the notion of equality of out come is not realistic (but this is mainly pushed by the more radical left).

To answer your question on if over the last 30 years have we seen improvements in black communities due to state investments, I would say that we have.
The black middle-class would be a good metric to use. I know the left don't really take about the middle class that much, but I think it is a good guage on how well a demographic is doing.
In the US the % of black households that are middle class is approx 40%, the national average is approx 43%. That is a great results given that social mobility for black house holds in America only really started in the 1960's.

Currently black households are slightly under the national average for upper middle class and upper class, but I suspect this gap will be closed as middle class families accumulate wealth. The middle class can look after themselves.

The real kicker is 26% of black households that are poor. This is where we should be targeting funding regardless of skin colour. Help the poor get out of poverty and enrich the working class.

Sorry if I sound like a One Nation Conservative instead of a radical socialist on this.
 
The real kicker is 26% of black households that are poor. This is where we should be targeting funding regardless of skin colour. Help the poor get out of poverty and enrich the working class.
Part of the issue is that in poorer communities lots of them keep each other down. Doesn't matter if you want to call it tall poppy syndrome, crab bucket mentality or some other metaphor, there is an attitude that working hard is somehow cheating or selling out or collaborating with the 'enemy'.

It starts very early in life and is one of the main reasons why white working class boys get thrown on the metaphorical scrapheap.
 
You asked " If black people are committing more crime and more likely to 'interact' with LE then why not try and address why that is? And then do something about it. "

I asked if you had also taken into account the initiatives that had already taken place ?

You could have said in response that the reforms haven't gone far enough but instead decided to use the term ungrateful bastards and everything is rosy.

I mistook you for someone who could produce a balanced answer.
The inner city programs are huge - Some cities are improving, some are not. If you dont think the city of L.A doesn't disproportionately invest in minorities, tell them! They throw hundreds of milions of dollars at them every year and still cant get them to stay in high school. To be fair- a good wedge is going on trying to teach immigrants to speak English.
 
That's just about the most intelligent thing I've ever seen you contribute to a thread. Such a pity that the rest of you contributions to threads on this issue are simply blaming white Americans and calling them names.

I have my moments… :cool:
 
The inner city programs are huge - Some cities are improving, some are not. If you dont think the city of L.A doesn't disproportionately invest in minorities, tell them! They throw hundreds of milions of dollars at them every year and still cant get them to stay in high school. To be fair- a good wedge is going on trying to teach immigrants to speak English.

You can invest $100 million in a city, and one case of casual Police brutality will undo every single Dollar of good it did.
 
You can invest $100 million in a city, and one case of casual Police brutality will undo every single Dollar of good it did.
That is a coherent post from you.
 
Just as well the many acts of casual murder, brutality, and criminal actions of the minority don’t spark nation wide riots and wide spread arson and looting that accompanies these ‘peaceful’ protests.
 

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