The UK Rail Network

#1

How would we sort this mess out?

Kind of convenient some of the rail networks are "not working" following the Ref.

And the Head of Southern Rail got a raise.....To half a million a year!

Stinks of EU corruption to me, I bet if someone were to follow the money, One would end up in Brussels.

Southern Rail boss Charles Horton nets £500,000 pay | This is Money


So, Being as rail is such an important part of our infrastructure, Would you agree/disagree that we should be taking who owns them very seriously, Or let foreign governments cointinue to reap the rewards of an overpriced, underequipped network?

Its like letting a cat look after mice.
 
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#3
That's capitalism and market economics for you.

If you were selling your house and a Frenchman offered £20,000 more than an Englishman, which price would you take? Where was your car made? Just saying, like.
 
#4
So, We can sell of our rail infrastructure so other governments can buy it up and inflate our prices to make sure their publicly owned rail networks can operate at cost effectiveness and higher standard for their people while ours is in turmoil and buckling under pressure.

Seems to me that is a one way street, no?
Surely it would be better to nationalise to get it back and then privatise to UK firms who have a vested interest in making a profit, due to a cost effective transport system and higher standard of living for the workers, ie more money in workers pockets is more money to spend on products supplied by said infrastructure and disposable incomes
 
#5
So, We can sell of our rail infrastructure so other governments can buy it up and inflate our prices to make sure their publicly owned rail networks can operate at cost effectiveness and higher standard for their people while ours is in turmoil and buckling under pressure.

Yes

Seems to me that is a one way street, no?

Yes

Next!
 
#6
As a side note, How much foreign infrastructure does the british tax payer own and how does it help keep our prices down?
We certainly pay enough taxes to have a top notch infrastructure, wonder where the money dissapears too.
 
#7
So, We can sell of our rail infrastructure so other governments can buy it up and inflate our prices to make sure their publicly owned rail networks can operate at cost effectiveness and higher standard for their people while ours is in turmoil and buckling under pressure.

Seems to me that is a one way street, no?
The video you posted is nonsense. It's an attempt by a union to capitalise on Brexit discontent.

The only valid question it raises is whether the railways should be operated by private companies or the state.
 
#9
As a side note, How much foreign infrastructure does the british tax payer own and how does it help keep our prices down?
We certainly pay enough taxes to have a top notch infrastructure, wonder where the money dissapears too.
Our rail infrastructure is owned by Network Rail, which is a public body.

Our rail infrastructure is also 150+ years old and near impossible to upgrade.
 
#10
No foreign company owns any UK rail infrastructure. It's owned by Network Rail. The train operating companies pay for the privilege of operating most of the stations and running their trains on the network. Whether they do a good enough job of that, or are charged enough, is a different matter.

The fact is, ze Germans are not taking ownership of the UK rail infrastructure, so the vid is bollox.
 
#11
I worked on the Rail....Maggie sold all the rail stock off to the banks at a 1% of the true value. All those trains you travel in are owned by the banks (expect Virgin). They are leased to the various franchisees, the rail companies also have to pay the government money....and we wonder why the prices are so high...

Edit Maggies plan but she had gone when introduced
 
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#12
No foreign company owns any UK rail infrastructure. It's owned by Network Rail. The train operating companies pay for the privilege of operating most of the stations and running their trains on the network. Whether they do a good enough job of that, or are charged enough, is a different matter.

The fact is, ze Germans are not taking ownership of the UK rail infrastructure, so the vid is bollox.
I disagree strongly
 
#13
The video you posted is nonsense. It's an attempt by a union to capitalise on Brexit discontent.

The only valid question it raises is whether the railways should be operated by private companies or the state.
No, I see the side of that video that tells me it should be UK firms that own it, and if there is any windfall it should fall back our way, end up in our benefit. The taxpayer was the previous owner, not westminster.
I don't like the amount of taxation that exists here, If foreign governments can invest in our sectors to reduce the cost and increase profit in theirs then why can't we. If we do, what is it?

What sector abroad is owned by UK taxpayers and operates in a way that sees profits benefitting us, After all ouselves and taxpayers before us paid for our rail network, whats the return for us in seling it (in part) to EU states?
We buy their shit, their workers benefit from our toils (good infrastructure).

I am not endorsing the video, But it does raise questions as to what we can demand from Brexit,
 
#14
No foreign company owns any UK rail infrastructure. It's owned by Network Rail. The train operating companies pay for the privilege of operating most of the stations and running their trains on the network. Whether they do a good enough job of that, or are charged enough, is a different matter.

The fact is, ze Germans are not taking ownership of the UK rail infrastructure, so the vid is bollox.
No. That's not what the video was saying. The companies that run the services are subsidised. As was pointed out at the time, it costs 2 -3 times more than British Rail ever did

Yet again, political dogma p!sses on common sense. M'eh
 
#15
Here's the info from the Rail and Maritime Trade Union prior to the brexit vote:

Head Office Circular No. NP/140/16/MC

To all Branches & Regional Councils


Friday 13 May 2016

Dear Colleagues,

Referendum on Membership of the European Union

As you may be aware, the referendum campaign surrounding UK membership of the European Union has now begun.

RMT policy on this matter was decided by rank and file members at the 2015 Annual General Meeting, and the union is campaigning for a Leave vote. The motion carried at the AGM was as follows:

THE EUROPEAN UNION REFERENDUM

That this Annual General Meeting notes the outcome of the UK general election on 7 May 2015 means that a referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union will take place before the end of 2017.

We note that David Cameron has stated that his government intends to renegotiate terms of Britain's EU membership by removing restrictions on big business and protecting special interests of banks and financial institutions based in the City of London, before recommending a 'Yes' vote for Britain to remain in the EU.

We note that the Tory government will be supported in their attempt to maintain Britain's membership of the EU bosses' club by the leadership of the parliamentary Labour Party, the Liberal Democrats, the Green Party and the Scottish and Welsh nationalist parties. This pro-EU coalition will be joined by the Confederation of British Industry and Institute of Directors, the TUC and most of Britain's billionaire press-owners in calling for a 'Yes' vote.

RMT's 2010 Annual General Meeting held in Aberdeen, adopted a policy to call for a referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union and to campaign for a vote for Britain to leave the EU in a referendum. RMT's policy therefore is to campaign for a progressive 'No' vote to Britain's membership of the EU.

This AGM instructs the General Secretary and Council of Executives to work to establish an alliance of trade unions, socialists and democrats calling for a 'No' vote in the coming referendum on Britain's EU membership in order to ensure that the arguments for workers' rights and public ownership outside of the Thatcherite straightjacket of the EU are made to British electors.

RMT has registered as an official “leave” campaigner with the Electoral Commission. The union has also affiliated to Trade Unionists against the European Union ((no title) and will be supporting and assisting initiatives by TAEU. The union will also provide speakers for socialist and progressive platforms against the EU. The union is also campaigning publicly with other unions, socialists and trade unionists who share our position.

Additionally, RMT will be promoting the following six key points direct to members across all sectors of the transport industry through the RMT NEWS, through branches and reps and through the union’s social media platforms. Copies of the below in leaflets and poster form will shortly be made available to Branches and Regional Councils.

1. Leave the EU to end attacks on rail workers
New EU rail policies are set to further entrench rail privatisation and fragmentation. That will also mean more attacks or jobs and conditions and EU laws will make it impossible to bring all of rail back into public ownership.

2. Leave the EU to end attacks on seafarers and the offshore workers
The EU has promoted undercutting and social dumping leading to the decimation of UK seafarers. The same is now happening in the offshore sector. EU directives also require the tendering our public ferry services.

3. Leave the EU to end attacks on workers’ rights
It’s a myth that the EU is in favour of workers. In fact the EU is developing a new policy framework to attack trade union rights, collective bargaining, job protections and wages. This is already being enforced in countries which have received EU “bailouts”.

4. Leave the EU to end Austerity
If you join a union you expect members of the union to protect each other in times of trouble. The European Union has done the opposite. It has used the economic crisis to impose austerity and privatization on member states. Instead of protecting jobs and investment EU austerity is driving UK austerity.

5. Leave the EU to stop the attack on our NHS
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) trade agreement being negotiated between the EU and the United States will promote big business at the expense government protections and organisations including our NHS! Environmental regulations, employment rights, food safety, privacy laws and many other safeguards will also be secondary to the right of corporations to make even bigger profits.

6. Leave the EU to support democracy
The vast majority of the laws that affects our lives are now made in the EU and not the UK. We have no say over those Laws. As the late Tony Benn said in 1991…

“We are discussing whether the British people are to be allowed to elect those who make the laws under which they are governed. The argument is nothing to do with whether we should get more maternity leave from Madame Papandreou [a European Commissioner].”

I would be grateful if you could bring this Circular to the attention of all Branch members and I will keep you informed as to developments and initiatives in the campaign.

If you have any queries regarding the union’s campaign please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely


Mick Cash
General Secretary
 
#16
I worked on the Rail....Maggie sold all the rail stock off to the banks at a 1% of the true value. All those trains you travel in are owned by the banks (expect Virgin). They are leased to the various franchisees, the rail companies also have to pay the government money....and we wonder why the prices are so high...
Banks generally "own" trains and planes etc. because they are expensive and when companies want to buy them they use corporate finance to do so. In much the same way that banks and building societies own a large percentage of the property in the UK.
 
#17
I worked on the Rail....Maggie sold all the rail stock off to the banks at a 1% of the true value. All those trains you travel in are owned by the banks (expect Virgin). They are leased to the various franchisees, the rail companies also have to pay the government money....and we wonder why the prices are so high...
Maggie was not Prime Minister at the time of the highly rushed and badly botched "privatisation" of the rail industry. It was carried out under John Major's government.
 
#18
Maggie was not Prime Minister at the time of the highly rushed and badly botched "privatisation" of the rail industry. It was carried out under John Major's government.
Yes but it was her idea
 
#19
I worked on the Rail....Maggie sold all the rail stock off to the banks at a 1% of the true value. All those trains you travel in are owned by the banks (expect Virgin). They are leased to the various franchisees, the rail companies also have to pay the government money....and we wonder why the prices are so high...
What would cheaper ticket prices achieve?
 

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